Why He Stopped

[rozb]

Apr 26, 2018 17:16:57 GMT SertumAEnigmA said:

Hi Sertum
good post and agree with most of what you write here. I would just point out that most serial killers there is a sexual component to their crimes. they used to call them Lust Murderers I believe. There is a certain sexual thrill that they achieve even if there is no overt sexual component to their crimes. This guy was exhibiting this even in his Visalia Ransacker phase. the going through womens underwear, looking at pictures, stealing trinkets. and of course escalated to rape and murder later. interesting that the his murders started with murders of self preservation-claude snelling and the maggiores. 


I agree with you on the why he probably stopped-age and having daughters and being a single dad. its a myth that serial killers cant stop, or will only stop due to death, incarceration or moving away. good post.

Indeed. Perhaps I didn't explain it clear or could have said it differently. Certainly sex could be a component of a crime, however, not the cause. What I think has happened, is folks believe that murder is the byproduct of criminal activity itself or like in this instance for EARONS, sex is the cause or justification for such. It's really just not there. All the data gathered on the subject is based on studies from 1925 or before and questionnaires given to 36 serial killers afterwards.

It is very poor information and the FBI and psychological associations have dismissed them. The APA has a new study under review I believe that started in the mid-to-late 90s exploring it much more in depth. Also, taking into account factors and subjects not in original studies. First instance murderers, juveniles, domestic violence and murders by criminal organizations.

What I think is a major problem today, especially for women, is how they are misled to believe that "sex" is an uncontrollable compulsion for some men causing murder. It is as if people believe the defect is in a sexual manifestation just like a criminal manifestation.

That is simply not the case. If the "compulsion" or "urge" was so overwhelmingly uncontrollable, there would be no advanced premeditation and preparation. For instance, let's just take EARONS. If it was lust, coveting a woman for sexual gratification, then all the preparations and risks were unnecessary and could in fact get in the way of his goal. If he wanted to get off, he risked so much more that could interfere with the goal. There were easier targets, without police looking and husbands home. Many women even said he wasn't aroused or didn't climax. When he broke in and subdued them, he took his time ransacking and preparing. It's like, and I'll even say I believe he worked himself up to raping the women because it was more for shocking them and using rape to terrorize them and the community.

You're absolutely correct that crimes can have sexual components. But sex is not the motive or some sexual mental defect is the cause of murder. I believe murderers will use rape in their repertoire to torment, humiliate and terrorize their victims.

So yes, sex may be a component in murder or a crime, but not the cause. Too often Hollywood portrays these killers as some guy who is just so horny and needs to kill for gratification. Years ago that was accepted belief by LE, profilers and the general public. So much so, they would tell women and girls to "dress down" and watch "the make up".

My point is, all evidence and data today spanning all violent crime types that has a sexual component, the crime is not caused or rooted in sex. It is rooted in the person's hatred towards an individual or a group/type of people.

Even when you look at rape that occurs between an abuser and his victim in a domestic violence situation, the rape wasn't due to the "need/urge/thirst" to get laid. It is to overpower and dominate the victim.

One of the biggest problems in the late 1800s and early 1900s is that sex in America was and still is demonized. So authorities have long tried to make sex evil and the root cause of crimes and misdeeds. In reality, sex is not the cause of these women getting killed. Just like rape is due to a man just wanting to get off. Yes, sex may be a component in order to shock, terrorize, humiliate, degrade or simply dominate a victim. It is not the cause.

Viturally in all cases of serial murder, domestic violence and even murder in general, the victims have less or no value to the offender and the offender has almost always had a history of violent behavior in response to situations.

Yes, the old data profilers took was from an era where religious/political beliefs tainted and corrupted actual facts. Serial killers are known to be liars and manipulative sociopaths, yet Douglas and co seem to think they got honest responses. That on top of turn-of-the-century data from an era when sex was considered evil.

There is no doubt that sex is a component in many crimes. Nothing suggests it is the cause other than in puritan like beliefs and offenders trying to sell LE and the public that the urge is just "uncontrollable".

Except that the evidence shows the EAR-ONS jizzed all over the bed in much more noticeable amounts when he killed Janelle Cruz, which I would think makes it a clear lust-murder.

I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Sex could have been over-emphasized at a certain point, but it's puritanical to toss it out from henceforward as a "cause." You can rethink the driving cause of serial killings without relegating sexuality to the bygone past.  

[andrew]

I dont think being nearly40 would have stopped him, im 38 im fitter and stronger now than when i was in my 20s

[dougguard]

I will continue to suspect based on the facts of “Multi-Personality Disorder being so present in his life. This requires no repeating. For some reason, he got hold of himself. I totally discount any theory he evolved into a civil human being. Meds, the widespread availability of pornography, may have helped him stabilized his urges. Just look at the facts of what neighbors saw and heard, his arguments with himself and present rumors from the County Jail? The guy is Norman Bates down to the tee. Why did he hire an expert in Multiple Personality Disorders to represent him in a minor shoplifting charge in 1979? However, presently it is clear something is going on with his obvious physical deterioration and super slow progress in the case? But, I am not swayed that settling into “Family Life” was the reason. Believe me, this guy was the inner core in a universe of dysfunction.

[andrew]

I think this guy had supernatural powers of self control. If he quit after 86 then damn thats some control right there. Back in the day he could have had any women of his desire at will at any time i imagine that would have been very exciting for that type of guy and to willfully give it up must have needed extreme self control, maybe he knew she was his last and wanted once last extreme crime to end end his crime show.

[f1guyus]

Said it before, EAR had a five year plan. He was going to disrupt and terrorize and eventually kill for five years. Then go back to living like the rest of us. The beauteous Janelle was an outlier. Saw her, followed her home. Came back. Lets take him down in the basement and ask him. Politely of course.

[sammyt]

I thought it was likely he stopped offending when he was around 40.

It didn't make much sense to me for a teenage EAR/20 something ONS to just stop offending once he hit his physical prime of late 20s.

Of course, he could have died or gone to prison for another crime, but nothing really ever turned up to support this idea.

I think JJD was like Dennis Rader and never really retired. He just hit middle age and family life got in the way.

Maybe like the older BTK, he probably planned other 'projects' in his mind but thankfully never got round to carrying them out.


Another option is that JJD continued offending, and committed further crimes which haven't been linked to him.

He seemed in pretty good shape for a 70 year old, so I wouldn't be that surprised if he killed again in the 1990s, when he would have been 45-55.

From what we know, in the early-mid 80s, JJD was already able to go for half a decade without offending.

[cleopatra]

JJD stopped because he became a father,  and he was most likely a stay-at-home dad. 

Even for a serial rapist-prowler-killer, taking care of babies and toddlers is pretty exhaustive and ties up one's every waking moment of time.  Even for someone with more than enough energy to care of children, days and nights are filled with things to do. Babies depend on their caretaker 24/7 for everything. Toddlers crawl and walk fast and demand 100% attention fom their catetakers. They get sick alot.  They can't be left alone at home or in a car at all.  Child-rearing consumed all his time.

[drewogatory]

Nov 23, 2019 8:24:41 GMT cleopatra said:

JJD stopped because he became a father,  and he was most likely a stay-at-home dad. 

Even for a serial rapist-prowler-killer, taking care of babies and toddlers is pretty exhaustive and ties up one's every waking moment of time.  Even for someone with more than enough energy to care for children, days and nights are filled with things to do. Babies depend on their caretaker 24/7 for everything. Toddlers crawl and walk fast and demand 100% attention fom their catetakers. They get sick alot.  They can't be left alone at home or in a car at all.  Child-rearing consumed all his time.

Simplest answers are usually the best ones. Fatherhood + advancing age. In the population I work with, symptomatic behavior drops off markedly for males in their 40's. Comes on late teens/early 20's, becomes much easier to manage after 40.

[cleopatra]

Nov 23, 2019 23:05:00 GMT drewogatory said:

Nov 23, 2019 8:24:41 GMT cleopatra said:

JJD stopped because he became a father,  and he was most likely a stay-at-home dad. 

Even for a serial rapist-prowler-killer, taking care of babies and toddlers is pretty exhaustive and ties up one's every waking moment of time.  Even for someone with more than enough energy to care for children, days and nights are filled with things to do. Babies depend on their caretaker 24/7 for everything. Toddlers crawl and walk fast and demand 100% attention fom their catetakers. They get sick alot.  They can't be left alone at home or in a car at all.  Child-rearing consumed all his time.

Simplest answers are usually the best ones. Fatherhood + advancing age. In the population I work with, symptomatic behavior drops off markedly for males in their 40's. Comes on late teens/early 20's, becomes much easier to manage after 40.

Yes indeed.  

During our exhaustive, time consuming hunt (as our laundry and dirty dishes piles got higher and higher) for this psychopath, over and over again posters would say he’s gotta be a cop, he wasn’t just lucky. There was even an ongoing poll.  I was certain the A-hole was a district manager for Alpha Beta at one point and voted NO in the Is He LE? poll.  Later, as I keyed in closer on more details, and after reading trabuco’s long list of Cop Clues, I completely changed my mind. I decided he had to be a cop.

Simple - witness heard cop radio outside her window, witness saw cop car speeding away before cop cars pulled up, witness saw cop in victim‘s backyard earlier in the evening, wore shoulder gun belt, yelled “freeze” to victim as she ran to phone, always fired 2 shots, always knew where stakeouts would be,  shined flashlights directly onto faces of victims, wore shiny black round toed boots, witness whose father and brothers were cops said perp was definitely a cop, etc.....  

He was not a construction worker, nor real estate agent, nor district store manager, nor housing developer, nor husband in a hospital bed all night, nor a college student who went home during summer breaks, nor a homeless transient who had an unusual b.o. stench, nor a pilot, nor a telephone company employee, nor a person throwing meat tidbits to neighborhood dogs, etc.......

He was a cop who sprayed himself with dog repellent!

[defensorfortis]

I think he got old, got busy, and realized it was just a matter of time before he would be caught if he kept going. He also probably understood that DNA would be a factor, at least by the time it was understood by the general public. He was probably savvy enough to see DNA coming far before it was common knowledge that it could be used to solve crimes.

I think the main factor was that he no longer had a schedule that allowed him to offend and that kept him away long enough for the other factors to come into play.

[Horizon]

Back problems, spinal problems, can't jump fences anymore. The key to success was gone

[spodey]

Age progression and a possible raging paranoia about the developing use of DNA.....both things he couldn't "control".   As we know, basically he left a "business card" of himself (DNA) at so many crime scenes and the thought of that in the mid to late 1980s probably forced him into hiding in plain sight as a truck mechanic.

I would wager that when a family member of his advanced in medical training he asked that person a lot of DNA-related questions pertaining to the growth of DNA knowledge.

[Xalter37]

If JJD did in fact quit his EARONS crimes after Janelle Cruz’s 1986 murder, I think some of the contributing factors may have been:

1. Lack of agility, speed & overall fitness due to getting older & fatter.

2. Being seven years out of the loop with LE procedures & forensics.

3. Self preservation effected by improved home security.

4. Janelle’s valiant fight to stay alive scared JJD into indefinite hiatus.

5. A gradual loss of extreme sadistic urges.

6. Found less risky ways to satisfy his lingering sadistic urges.

7. Work, family etc... prevented anymore opportunities to rape & kill.

He was supposably seen throughout the neighbourhood climbing over backyard fences and loitering on peoples property as recently as 2016.

Something tells me he never completely stopped.

[sammyt]

Nov 23, 2019 23:48:11 GMT cleopatra said:

Nov 23, 2019 23:05:00 GMT drewogatory said:

Simplest answers are usually the best ones. Fatherhood + advancing age. In the population I work with, symptomatic behavior drops off markedly for males in their 40's. Comes on late teens/early 20's, becomes much easier to manage after 40.

Yes indeed.  

During our exhaustive, time consuming hunt (as our laundry and dirty dishes piles got higher and higher) for this psychopath, over and over again posters would say he’s gotta be a cop, he wasn’t just lucky. There was even an ongoing poll.  I was certain the A-hole was a district manager for Alpha Beta at one point and voted NO in the Is He LE? poll.  Later, as I keyed in closer on more details, and after reading trabuco’s long list of Cop Clues, I completely changed my mind. I decided he had to be a cop.

Simple - witness heard cop radio outside her window, witness saw cop car speeding away before cop cars pulled up, witness saw cop in victim‘s backyard earlier in the evening, wore shoulder gun belt, yelled “freeze” to victim as she ran to phone, always fired 2 shots, always knew where stakeouts would be,  shined flashlights directly onto faces of victims, wore shiny black round toed boots, witness whose father and brothers were cops said perp was definitely a cop, etc.....  

He was not a construction worker, nor real estate agent, nor district store manager, nor housing developer, nor husband in a hospital bed all night, nor a college student who went home during summer breaks, nor a homeless transient who had an unusual b.o. stench, nor a pilot, nor a telephone company employee, nor a person throwing meat tidbits to neighborhood dogs, etc.......

He was a cop who sprayed himself with dog repellent!

I remember things slightly differently: there was speculation that EAR was a cop, but it was hardly the dominant opinion.  Certain gatekeepers swore that EAR couldn't have been LE because all cops had been looked at with a fine tooth comb.

Trabuco was generally ignored, even though of course it turns out that he was correct about practically everything.

As for the occupations you've listed... well you're correct in general... but JJD may still have been involved in quite a few of the things listed.

He was a college student, may well still turn out to have been a pilot (many of his family were) and could also still have been using construction/real estate/developing as a cover for his prowling/recon.

[Deleted]

Dec 16, 2019 14:33:34 GMT sammyt said:

Nov 23, 2019 23:48:11 GMT cleopatra said:

Yes indeed.  

During our exhaustive, time consuming hunt (as our laundry and dirty dishes piles got higher and higher) for this psychopath, over and over again posters would say he’s gotta be a cop, he wasn’t just lucky. There was even an ongoing poll.  I was certain the A-hole was a district manager for Alpha Beta at one point and voted NO in the Is He LE? poll.  Later, as I keyed in closer on more details, and after reading trabuco’s long list of Cop Clues, I completely changed my mind. I decided he had to be a cop.

Simple - witness heard cop radio outside her window, witness saw cop car speeding away before cop cars pulled up, witness saw cop in victim‘s backyard earlier in the evening, wore shoulder gun belt, yelled “freeze” to victim as she ran to phone, always fired 2 shots, always knew where stakeouts would be,  shined flashlights directly onto faces of victims, wore shiny black round toed boots, witness whose father and brothers were cops said perp was definitely a cop, etc.....  

He was not a construction worker, nor real estate agent, nor district store manager, nor housing developer, nor husband in a hospital bed all night, nor a college student who went home during summer breaks, nor a homeless transient who had an unusual b.o. stench, nor a pilot, nor a telephone company employee, nor a person throwing meat tidbits to neighborhood dogs, etc.......

He was a cop who sprayed himself with dog repellent!

I remember things slightly differently: there was speculation that EAR was a cop, but it was hardly the dominant opinion.  Certain gatekeepers swore that EAR couldn't have been LE because all cops had been looked at with a fine tooth comb.

Trabuco was generally ignored, even though of course it turns out that he was correct about practically everything.

As for the occupations you've listed... well you're correct in general... but JJD may still have been involved in quite a few of the things listed.

He was a college student, may well still turn out to have been a pilot (many of his family were) and could also still have been using construction/real estate/developing as a cover for his prowling/recon.

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