Post by lurker777 on Apr 30, 2018 21:50:48 GMT
Hi all
I have followed this case, off and on, since 2005 when I became aware of it when following the hunt for BTK.
First of all I am so happy for the victims and their families that this vile coward has been caught and exposed before his death. His last memories will be painful, knowing he has destroyed his own family, that his entire life and their love for him has been a sham, and that it was all ultimately for nought. He will die alone in a prison cell, his closely guarded secrets exposed to the world and knowing the contempt he is held in. No long peaceful retirement on the boat for him.
Forgive the rambling but I have the following comments / questions that would be interested to hear people's views on:
1) I am not from the United States, so wondered - is working until approximately 71 normal? Here the standard retirement age is 60-67 although some people do work longer but it's not the norm. Particularly JJD's generation.
2) The store JJD was arrested in 1979, does it still exist? What's the address? Would be interesting to see the layout as may gave more insight into why he thought he get away with such a brazen petty crime there.
3) I do believe the JJD depression / fatigue may be genuine. His entire life has been exposed a sham. Rader was a true narcisstic psychopath and enjoyed the attention / boasting about his crimes, with little thought on the impact on his family. JJD may be different. Evil? Yes. But he perhaps does have genuine feelings for his family (or as others speculated, compartmentalised it so much that he'd "put it behind him" mentally). I am pleased it has had a traumatic effect on him.
4) Was disgusted at the defence lawyer keep putting her hand on him ffs. Yes, she should support him; Yes, she must be totally in his corner; Yes, but there is no need to have physical contact, in front of victim's family members in that courtroom, it was totally unnecessary and made me very uncomfortable.
5) Will the next hearing, in May, also allow cameras and what usually happens at those hearings? Another fast one?
6) Another thought on his compartmentalisation, this old post I found (not mine) about Rader/BTK could apply equally to JJD: "I am curious about is the impact of having his “secret life” exposed. IMO, many deviant cognitive-behavior patterns are fueled in part by the necessity for secrecy. The dissimulation and related cognitive-behavioral conditioning (i.e., acting publicly contrary to how one actually feels and thinks) systematically and progressively shapes related values and beliefs (e.g., transforming shame, guilt, embarrassment, and anxiety into very strong, narrowly focused, deviant motivations). The risk-taking in such processes fuels their self-reinforcing and progressive nature, building very powerful and idiosyncratic values and response tendencies. Rader’s whole world view and “state-of-being” changed when his “private life” was exposed. In many respects, the pre-incarceration and post-incarceration Rader are different people. His perception and felt experience of reality is different. Rader has always been motivated by social reinforcement and acceptance, deviant though it may be. IMO, Rader is in an existential crisis --- he wants to learn about his own nature and motives, but the more he learns and understands about himself the more he is aware of how heinous he really is. The more he tries to build and cultivate more positive and adaptive values and beliefs, the more he is confronted with his own evil nature. The world of the pre-incarceration Rader no longer exists ... and post-incarceration Rader is bound to be conflicted no matter how he tries to cope ". This really could apply to JJD imo. In his cell he is finally now, decades later, forced to think about and confront the reality of his evil actions. I hope the trauma he may be going through is some comfort to the victims families.
I have followed this case, off and on, since 2005 when I became aware of it when following the hunt for BTK.
First of all I am so happy for the victims and their families that this vile coward has been caught and exposed before his death. His last memories will be painful, knowing he has destroyed his own family, that his entire life and their love for him has been a sham, and that it was all ultimately for nought. He will die alone in a prison cell, his closely guarded secrets exposed to the world and knowing the contempt he is held in. No long peaceful retirement on the boat for him.
Forgive the rambling but I have the following comments / questions that would be interested to hear people's views on:
1) I am not from the United States, so wondered - is working until approximately 71 normal? Here the standard retirement age is 60-67 although some people do work longer but it's not the norm. Particularly JJD's generation.
2) The store JJD was arrested in 1979, does it still exist? What's the address? Would be interesting to see the layout as may gave more insight into why he thought he get away with such a brazen petty crime there.
3) I do believe the JJD depression / fatigue may be genuine. His entire life has been exposed a sham. Rader was a true narcisstic psychopath and enjoyed the attention / boasting about his crimes, with little thought on the impact on his family. JJD may be different. Evil? Yes. But he perhaps does have genuine feelings for his family (or as others speculated, compartmentalised it so much that he'd "put it behind him" mentally). I am pleased it has had a traumatic effect on him.
4) Was disgusted at the defence lawyer keep putting her hand on him ffs. Yes, she should support him; Yes, she must be totally in his corner; Yes, but there is no need to have physical contact, in front of victim's family members in that courtroom, it was totally unnecessary and made me very uncomfortable.
5) Will the next hearing, in May, also allow cameras and what usually happens at those hearings? Another fast one?
6) Another thought on his compartmentalisation, this old post I found (not mine) about Rader/BTK could apply equally to JJD: "I am curious about is the impact of having his “secret life” exposed. IMO, many deviant cognitive-behavior patterns are fueled in part by the necessity for secrecy. The dissimulation and related cognitive-behavioral conditioning (i.e., acting publicly contrary to how one actually feels and thinks) systematically and progressively shapes related values and beliefs (e.g., transforming shame, guilt, embarrassment, and anxiety into very strong, narrowly focused, deviant motivations). The risk-taking in such processes fuels their self-reinforcing and progressive nature, building very powerful and idiosyncratic values and response tendencies. Rader’s whole world view and “state-of-being” changed when his “private life” was exposed. In many respects, the pre-incarceration and post-incarceration Rader are different people. His perception and felt experience of reality is different. Rader has always been motivated by social reinforcement and acceptance, deviant though it may be. IMO, Rader is in an existential crisis --- he wants to learn about his own nature and motives, but the more he learns and understands about himself the more he is aware of how heinous he really is. The more he tries to build and cultivate more positive and adaptive values and beliefs, the more he is confronted with his own evil nature. The world of the pre-incarceration Rader no longer exists ... and post-incarceration Rader is bound to be conflicted no matter how he tries to cope ". This really could apply to JJD imo. In his cell he is finally now, decades later, forced to think about and confront the reality of his evil actions. I hope the trauma he may be going through is some comfort to the victims families.