Post by caughtistheword on May 23, 2018 21:41:26 GMT
Probably some kind of self employment, so I voted small business owner. Private investigator and/or security is likely, something a former cop is very qualified for. Self employment would get around a background check.
How many people look into PI's backgrounds because they want to know what they're getting for their money? Most are too centralized on the purpose they are hiring a PI and want the results. Some PI's are far less intelligent than police officers I've known PI's who will leave business cards everywhere they go as they're investigating...very dumb. Lol Pretty sure JJD would have been more tactful should he ever done official PI work by his own rules but I don't personally think he did PI work.
And you are correct about private snoops slipping business cards in doorjambs and windshield wiper blades. If I was a P.I., I'd want my only form of advertisement to be word-of-mouth. W-O-T trumps any Don Draper-type any day!
Yep. Had a PI checking after me. He went to a couple different places asking specific questions giving my description and then directly requesting for information with my name etc. then thought it was a good idea to leave his contact details the business card even reading out Private Investigator. I guess it always helps when you're personable (with discernment) and people get to know you where you go they will tend to give you the benefit of the doubt and be helpful. I got the business cards.
I think PI (and the epitome of a sleazy PI, at that) is the most likely choice, especially if he specialized in catching cheating spouses (particularly women). Think of the leverage for blackmail he'd have if he was snooping around a philanderer's home or office, how easy it would be to extort money or sex from someone he'd caught cheating. It would also be a natural fit for someone with his history of prowling and B&E. Plus, he'd have a way to stay abreast of the developments in home security systems, if not skip tracing and stalking his victims.
Can you see Deangelo, not content to give up the authority of years of military and police training and the power he had? He goes and creates a business card stating he's ex-military and a former cop and he offers surveillance work- private investigator stuff. You're right- this is something he is really good at, so why wouldn't he try to get paid to do it for other people? Continue to enjoy his addiction and obtain intimate access to strangers while being paid? Maybe he takes those business cards and brings them to local attorneys. And what if Lyman Smith hired JJD to check up on Charlene a bit to see if the affair was really broken off with Atwood yet? Maybe that is how JJD finds Charlene? SaveSave
Lol Just as bad imagining him hand out candy to trick or treaters. Can you imagine him answering the door for trick or treaters. If I had found out I was living in close vicinity all that time the things that would run through my mind.. The neighborhood must be permanently spooked.
I am guessing mechanic and Mr Mom. I think he worked on cars at his home and took care of kids/house for a few years then got full time employment as a mechanic in a small shop prior to Save Mart. I think he had to some mechanical work history to get hired at Save Mart. I still think he had some car connection to David Witthuhn.
I looked on the Savemart website a couple of weeks ago and they want a 3 year work history. it may not have been the same in 89/90, but it would make sense that he had some mechanical background.
Scenarios I have thought about while researching this case.
A group of cops, like the ones in Stanton during the time, who are used to going through the drug busts and taking items before including them in the evidence, decide that it might be better if someone were to rob the drug dealers prior to the official bust. An ex-cop like JJD would be perfect. He could have even hired Glasby, or got his info from a cop like Officer Jerry or a lawyer like May or Chula. Somehow JJD knew where there was likely to be drugs and where there wasnt during the Ear phase.
And there was corrupt drug and mob lawyers who could have used his services. I doubt they would have said "Go murder such and such." But maybe he works for one lawyer, is doing surveillance, and the targets are oddly murder by a random serial killer. Is the lawyer going to stand up and say he thought it was JJD? Is the hiring client going to say he hired JJD? It could be that the lawyer and the client only hired a PI service, and never met JJD. Some PI's contracted out their work when they needed special services, or when the had too much work, or when they had a big job. Some of these guys carried a reserve sheriff's badge, a DA investigative badge, a PI badge. And many of them were vets or ex-cops.
And contrary to what the movies and TV portray, some of these guys arent hired to solve crimes, but to muddle them up or "ratfuck" them so that no one will ever to be able to figure out what happened. From finding and paying false witnesses, to leaving clues that point to other people, or convincing witnesses to be silent. Or retrieving items of special interest.
I found this on Kenji's blog from a while back. If Kenji is telling the turth, then murder for hires are not a mafia endeavor. So are doing the countless number of murder for hires? Maybe someone like JJD?
"Those who participate in murders are NEVER paid. There are no killers for hire in the mafia. Anything you read or hear in the news about the Mafia putting a 500K contract on someone’s head is bullshit. People kill because they are told to kill or asked to kill, in order to earn respect. Anyone who says they were hired to be a hitman by the mob is lying. There are always eager young men looking to get noticed who are willing to kill."
Kenji had a great number of important things to say concerning the case, and his history as a mob snitch. The fact that he is said to have known Janelle while they both attended University Highschool is something. And the fact that he often did drug dealer robberies, with info from corrupt LE, and odd jobs for an unnamed lawyer is interesting too.
Reading up on Officer Jerry seems to be helpful as well. Another poster corroborated the story about Officer Jerry, and that he was corrupt, but couldnt get fired. I believe he retired shortly after Kenji's book was published, but I dont think he ever contradicted anything that Kenji wrote about.
Only one problem with J.J.D. getting into P.I. work: would anyone really hire a fired former cop for such work? Even in the 70s?
I think they would have. Records were not remotely as connected in the late 70’s/ early ‘80s and even if they were, was his offense that big of a deal? A theft of less than $25?
I also believe the Navy contact is underplayed, especially for Vietnam vets. Not judging vets in any way - just saying there is a bond. I do not see this working in SB/Goleta, but in Oxnard, Ventura or up 126, I believe he could have had solid contacts.
nowhereman: If you didn't see Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey on Netflix...yikes. I was aware of most of that stuff but when it's all explained chronologically in great detail holy cow. Those FLDS people are out there.
Jun 12, 2022 2:22:32 GMT
mcfetty: YEahhhhh, just watched it and that was insane!
Jul 4, 2022 16:08:22 GMT
vivazapata: Peoples Investigates 2 hour show on "The Hammer Killer" in case anyone interested
Jul 12, 2022 4:12:24 GMT
billthom56: Just noticed this shoutout from SammyT. Thank you so much. Bill Thomas
Jul 18, 2022 18:42:27 GMT
sammyt: You're well deserving a shout out Bill. You put yourself out there, year after year. A truly inspirational person within the true crime world.
Jul 24, 2022 21:46:30 GMT
sammyt: After the new 12-26-75 book, perhaps it's time for a similar investigation into the CPK crimes. Seems like there were a lot of dirty police chiefs around back in the day...
Jul 24, 2022 21:54:28 GMT
sammyt: And big shout out to daedra.. another really good researcher on here!
Jul 24, 2022 21:59:34 GMT
kg: Thanks SammyT. I have to give credit to SammyT for the fact that I am still plugging away on Coe. If it were not for his candid feedback and encouragement I am sure I may have landed in the looney bin a long time ago but most likely I would have quit.
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