A job JJD had for several years after axed as cop [8/79] & b

[magnumforce73]

May 25, 2018 7:52:39 GMT gaviota said:

May 23, 2018 9:31:59 GMT magnumforce73 said:

Only one problem with J.J.D. getting into P.I. work: would anyone really hire a fired former cop for such work?  Even in the 70s?

mf73

I think they would have. Records were not remotely as connected in the late 70’s/ early ‘80s and even if they were,  was his offense that big of a deal? A theft of less than $25? 

I also believe the Navy contact is underplayed, especially for Vietnam vets. Not judging vets in any way - just saying there is a bond. I do not see this working in SB/Goleta, but in  Oxnard, Ventura or up 126, I believe he could have had solid contacts. 

Hi gaviota--

x100. This here: "the Navy contact."  This, in particular, as it pertains to the ONS phase in SoCal.  He not only had family down that way at the time, but there are plenty of Navy guys active/retired/etc. in those areas in SoCal.  I believe that it's the Navy contact (old buddies, etc.) that helped him get cash gigs after Auburn jettisoned his sorry hide.  I believe this is one reason he's been more ghost than man in S.B.--if it turns out he was living in SoCal proper during the ONS murders, then he'd need work to survive, and being paid in greenbacks rather than every other week and highlighted by pay stubs and W-2s.

Here's my beef with the P.I. angle besides his firing from Auburn: I keep going back to the reports of his personality.  I think one reason J.J.D. was so unmemorable as a cop--whether in Exeter or in Auburn--was because the guy "had no common sense," or "kept himself aloof from other officers."  Take that a step further: you couple that with his "emotional, loose-cannon profile," and I just don't see him having the necessary social skills to successfully interact with clients on that kind of level.  He just keeps coming across the same way to me: just your typical, run-of-the-mill bully.

mf73

[socalgirl]

I voted for security guard.

I was just listening to/watching something & they were discussing this topic. They said back in the day, cops didn’t make a lot of money. So it was common for them to have side jobs as a security guard.

It’s been noted that a lot of JJD victims lived near new developments or construction sites. He could have worked as a security guard at night, watching construction sites. If he was working alone, it would give him lots of time to go off and prowl. And then commit his crimes.

[annielynn]

Sharon could have called the shots on a lot of the decision making at least the decision making she was aware of. I wouldn't be surprised if at home things were more under her direction. I wonder if that were to be true how it could have also influenced JJD's employments. We know she was a strong activist, business woman, wife, mother. You never know I'm just saying, he could have really checked a lot of her boxes. Might of even been a sexually submissive husband etc. Mr mom is doing good in the polls.
There's been a lot of assumptions about their marriage careers etc. Just because he was a prolific serial killer rapist thief doesn't mean he didn't have contrary roles at home etc. Or maybe he was a domineering obsessive control freak we don't know.

PI
Security guard
Mr mom
Etc

really raj made good choices on the poll

[annielynn]

raj,

When you get time you should reference your post here about his families possible weed abatement pest control company? Did you learn anything more about that and can you reference that post here I don't see where it is now.

[gaviota]

May 25, 2018 10:18:07 GMT magnumforce73 said:

May 25, 2018 7:52:39 GMT gaviota said:

I think they would have. Records were not remotely as connected in the late 70’s/ early ‘80s and even if they were,  was his offense that big of a deal? A theft of less than $25? 

I also believe the Navy contact is underplayed, especially for Vietnam vets. Not judging vets in any way - just saying there is a bond. I do not see this working in SB/Goleta, but in  Oxnard, Ventura or up 126, I believe he could have had solid contacts. 

Hi gaviota--

x100. This here: "the Navy contact."  This, in particular, as it pertains to the ONS phase in SoCal.  He not only had family down that way at the time, but there are plenty of Navy guys active/retired/etc. in those areas in SoCal.  I believe that it's the Navy contact (old buddies, etc.) that helped him get cash gigs after Auburn jettisoned his sorry hide.  I believe this is one reason he's been more ghost than man in S.B.--if it turns out he was living in SoCal proper during the ONS murders, then he'd need work to survive, and being paid in greenbacks rather than every other week and highlighted by pay stubs and W-2s.

Here's my beef with the P.I. angle besides his firing from Auburn: I keep going back to the reports of his personality.  I think one reason J.J.D. was so unmemorable as a cop--whether in Exeter or in Auburn--was because the guy "had no common sense," or "kept himself aloof from other officers."  Take that a step further: you couple that with his "emotional, loose-cannon profile," and I just don't see him having the necessary social skills to successfully interact with clients on that kind of level.  He just keeps coming across the same way to me: just your typical, run-of-the-mill bully.

mf73

Magnum: Given two minutes of thought, I am with you on the PI concept. He would have had to engage people, gain their trust. I can't see how that would be possible. Security guard? Some kind of creepy spy for a PI? Yes. 

[magnumforce73]

May 25, 2018 19:57:05 GMT socalgirl said:

I voted for security guard.

I was just listening to/watching something & they were discussing this topic. They said back in the day, cops didn’t make a lot of money. So it was common for them to have side jobs as a security guard.

It’s been noted that a lot of JJD victims lived near new developments or construction sites. He could have worked as a security guard at night, watching construction sites. If he was working alone, it would give him lots of time to go off and prowl. And then commit his crimes.

Hi socal--

I can buy security guard over P.I. for exactly the reasons you've stated above.  In particular, that's a salient point regarding the housing developments: if J.J.D. did score freelance security gigs of that nature--where'd he'd be paid to perform as a night watchman--it'd not only permit him the time for prowling and preparing attacks, but he'd also have a blueprint of the housing interiors courtesy the job, thus making preparation for an attack that much more secure for himself.

mf73

[magnumforce73]

May 25, 2018 21:02:02 GMT annielynn said:

Sharon could have called the shots on a lot of the decision making at least the decision making she was aware of. I wouldn't be surprised if at home things were more under her direction. I wonder if that were to be true how it could have also influenced JJD's employments. We know she was a strong activist, business woman, wife, mother. You never know I'm just saying, he could have really checked a lot of her boxes. Might of even been a sexually submissive husband etc. Mr mom is doing good in the polls.
There's been a lot of assumptions about their marriage careers etc. Just because he was a prolific serial killer rapist thief doesn't mean he didn't have contrary roles at home etc. Or maybe he was a domineering obsessive control freak we don't know.

PI
Security guard
Mr mom
Etc

really raj made good choices on the poll

"Might of even been a sexually submissive husband, etc."

+1.  We do not have facts regarding the dynamics of the marital relationship between J.J.D. and S.H.  However, I cited your words above because it switched on a bright incandescent bulb for me: it would explain the cruelty he meted out to his female victims, and in particular, why he really transformed into a frenzied, bloodlusting murderer by the time of the ONS phase, deliberately choosing bludgeoning as his murder means.  He was fired from the police department, and given the circumstances, that couldn't have went over well with S.H. considering her scholastic obligations to go along with what appears to be a "full plate" as a wife, student, and (shortly down the timeline) expectant mother.

mf73

[rajmahal]

Reason I put Navy Reserve: It had been a long time since the Navy- though he may have kept up reserve duty? One thing I was thinking about - like what do you do when you've had a career in positions of rank and authority, with the power that comes with it, and then you are axed. Obviously, he was furious as he goes and kills just 3 months later. But I don't think he would accept it. So, he could appeal to the Navy to hire him, using that experience- and especially because he had a war related injury from Vietnam- he lost the tip of his finger. I think the Navy would try to find a fit for him, especially with that fact? I went to the Navy reserve site and found out that at least nowadays they do have permanent jobs for ex-Navy enlisted.

And what if he excused his absences as Navy reserve duties? He struck on Saturdays mostly- could Navy reserve been what he told Huddle about why he was gone including overnights on weekends? Just an idea.

[rajmahal]

And here's my rationale on Underwater Welder. When you seek a job you ask yourself: what are my unique and highly marketable skills? He could weld. He loved the ocean, water. He was comfortable around it and working for the military, navy. He was ex-military. They have naval contracts all the time for private and public bidding, and welding is a part of that. Then I thought about his hard of hearing issue (possible). California has many dry docks and had thriving naval centers in the 1970's-1980's, and close to Goleta and Irvine. I think he would be able to get port clearance easily, regardless of being fired from Auburn; he would be drawn to work at the ports.

Here's the link to the thread on that: earonsgsk.proboards.com/post/188011/thread

[annielynn]

May 26, 2018 20:39:34 GMT rajmahal said:

And here's my rationale on Underwater Welder. When you seek a job you ask yourself: what are my unique and highly marketable skills? He could weld. He loved the ocean, water. He was comfortable around it and working for the military, navy. He was ex-military. They have naval contracts all the time for private and public bidding, and welding is a part of that. Then I thought about his hard of hearing issue (possible). California has many dry docks and had thriving naval centers in the 1970's-1980's, and close to Goleta and Irvine. I think he would be able to get port clearance easily, regardless of being fired from Auburn; he would be drawn to work at the ports.

Here's the link to the thread on that: earonsgsk.proboards.com/post/188011/thread

At first I thought what is raj on about when you mentioned the under water welding I was like hmmm WHAT?
But you make some compelling points in that post. Definitely belongs in your thread here.

[eaglefreak]

May 26, 2018 20:32:22 GMT rajmahal said:

Reason I put Navy Reserve: It had been a long time since the Navy- though he may have kept up reserve duty? One thing I was thinking about - like what do you do when you've had a career in positions of rank and authority, with the power that comes with it, and then you are axed. Obviously, he was furious as he goes and kills just 3 months later. But I don't think he would accept it. So, he could appeal to the Navy to hire him, using that experience- and especially because he had a war related injury from Vietnam- he lost the tip of his finger. I think the Navy would try to find a fit for him, especially with that fact? I went to the Navy reserve site and found out that at least nowadays they do have permanent jobs for ex-Navy enlisted.

And what if he excused his absences as Navy reserve duties? He struck on Sa*ays mostly- could Navy reserve been what he told Huddle about why he was gone including overnights on weekends? Just an idea.

I felt exactly the same way. I was in the army reserves in the 80's and 90's. Sometimes when we went away for the weekend it was like a mini-vacation. They would release us early sometimes on a Saturday or Sunday. We had liberty at night. Sometimes you had a lot of free time to do whatever you wanted.

[annielynn]

May 26, 2018 13:03:43 GMT magnumforce73 said:

May 25, 2018 21:02:02 GMT annielynn said:

Sharon could have called the shots on a lot of the decision making at least the decision making she was aware of. I wouldn't be surprised if at home things were more under her direction. I wonder if that were to be true how it could have also influenced JJD's employments. We know she was a strong activist, business woman, wife, mother. You never know I'm just saying, he could have really checked a lot of her boxes. Might of even been a sexually submissive husband etc. Mr mom is doing good in the polls.
There's been a lot of assumptions about their marriage careers etc. Just because he was a prolific serial killer rapist thief doesn't mean he didn't have contrary roles at home etc. Or maybe he was a domineering obsessive control freak we don't know.

PI
Security guard
Mr mom
Etc

really raj made good choices on the poll

"Might of even been a sexually submissive husband, etc."

+1.  We do not have facts regarding the dynamics of the marital relationship between J.J.D. and S.H.  However, I cited your words above because it switched on a bright incandescent bulb for me: it would explain the cruelty he meted out to his female victims, and in particular, why he really transformed into a frenzied, bloodlusting murderer by the time of the ONS phase, deliberately choosing bludgeoning as his murder means.  He was fired from the police department, and given the circumstances, that couldn't have went over well with S.H. considering her scholastic obligations to go along with what appears to be a "full plate" as a wife, student, and (shortly down the timeline) expectant mother.

mf73

In morf's interview of Paul holes I think it's mentioned Sharon has indeed talked with police but what are the chances she's been very cooperative outpouring information? Right. Personally, I think she has a wealth of information. Regardless of what she knows I don't see her being very forthcoming in the earliest stages. We may learn more about Sharon and JJD's relationship through leaked sources or particularly details that come out in other proceedings surrounding the case but I'm guessing 50 years from now their relationship will still be surrounded by speculation and myths remoras on sharks like Zodiac. 

[annielynn]

May 26, 2018 20:32:22 GMT rajmahal said:

Reason I put Navy Reserve: It had been a long time since the Navy- though he may have kept up reserve duty? One thing I was thinking about - like what do you do when you've had a career in positions of rank and authority, with the power that comes with it, and then you are axed. Obviously, he was furious as he goes and kills just 3 months later. But I don't think he would accept it. So, he could appeal to the Navy to hire him, using that experience- and especially because he had a war related injury from Vietnam- he lost the tip of his finger. I think the Navy would try to find a fit for him, especially with that fact? I went to the Navy reserve site and found out that at least nowadays they do have permanent jobs for ex-Navy enlisted.

And what if he excused his absences as Navy reserve duties? He struck on Sa*ays mostly- could Navy reserve been what he told Huddle about why he was gone including overnights on weekends? Just an idea.

I'm thinking for sure at some time he was doing some navy reserve work. But I think if he was doing navy reserve work may have been earliest of years. We really need his military records.

[Jay7777]

Yeah, Sharon could fill us all in on this. She knows the jobs and employment her EX had back then.

[htx]

May 25, 2018 7:52:39 GMT gaviota said:

May 23, 2018 9:31:59 GMT magnumforce73 said:

Only one problem with J.J.D. getting into P.I. work: would anyone really hire a fired former cop for such work?  Even in the 70s?

mf73

I think they would have. Records were not remotely as connected in the late 70’s/ early ‘80s and even if they were,  was his offense that big of a deal? A theft of less than $25? 

I also believe the Navy contact is underplayed, especially for Vietnam vets. Not judging vets in any way - just saying there is a bond. I do not see this working in SB/Goleta, but in  Oxnard, Ventura or up 126, I believe he could have had solid contacts. 

I've worked on cases involving investigators who were former cops, some of whom left their departments under... shall we say... rather unsavory circumstances. The attorneys who hired them didn't particularly care, so long as the quality of their work was good (which it typically was). 

That said, I think it's more likely he was a part-time security guard, odd jobs guy, or auto mechanic, rather than a PI.