Speculation about items recovered

[molly]

I couldn't find any posts on this subject.  Now that we have a list from the warrant, I think it's interesting to wonder which would have been kept as memorabilia.  Some of it (I think) was obviously just later sold for cash.  Some of it would have been difficult to hide from his wife.  Some of it may have been given to his wife or someone as a gift.  I suppose there might still be some or one remaining "trophy" items, but most of it would be long gone, I think.  If he was really trying to stop, I think he would have discarded a lot of it.  

If JJD still had in his possession any of the items stolen from victims, or they will be discovered to have been given as gifts, which do you think they might be?

Here are my top picks.

$2 bills
1888 silver dollar
Opal ring 
Opal stick pin
(These I say because opals are a birthstone, and unless very fine or unusual are not particularly popular, and weren't in the 1970's).

I think the class rings and things engraved were taken just as an extra jab.   It's unlikely he pawned them.  I would expect they were discarded as too identifiable; probably not soon after the crimes, but by now when he's an old fisherman.  

I also like the very small (sizes 3-5) gold rings.  I noticed more than one ring of very small size.  I'm a size 4 and it's been a matter of comment more than once in my life.  [Don't go there, people, lol].  

As an aside, does anyone know what kind of model r/c planes he flew?  Most of those guys who are his age are very into the WWII planes.  Don't ask.  But it makes me wonder if the "Sears Clock Radio" was taken just because he liked it.  It wouldn't have been of any particular value at that time, no matter what vintage.

Just ruminating.  Thanks for reading.  

[molly]

81 views and no responses?

What's up? Nobody else has wondered about this? Are we only wondering about random guys we saw at Denny's one time who might have been JJD?

[andromeda]

Maybe the pics and ID-s because they can be hidden easily.
Or bulking things, but in Sharon's place.

[bmack1986]

Id really like to know what happened to Manuela’s answering machine tape

[walter]

Jun 4, 2018 14:51:31 GMT JayB130 said:

Jun 4, 2018 5:32:24 GMT molly said:

I couldn't find any posts on this subject.  Now that we have a list from the warrant, I think it's interesting to wonder which would have been kept as memorabilia.  Some of it (I think) was obviously just later sold for cash.  Some of it would have been difficult to hide from his wife.  Some of it may have been given to his wife or someone as a gift.  I suppose there might still be some or one remaining "trophy" items, but most of it would be long gone, I think.  If he was really trying to stop, I think he would have discarded a lot of it.  

If JJD still had in his possession any of the items stolen from victims, or they will be discovered to have been given as gifts, which do you think they might be?

Here are my top picks.

$2 bills
1888 silver dollar
Opal ring 
Opal stick pin
(These I say because opals are a birthstone, and unless very fine or unusual are not particularly popular, and weren't in the 1970's).

I think the class rings and things engraved were taken just as an extra jab.   It's unlikely he pawned them.  I would expect they were discarded as too identifiable; probably not soon after the crimes, but by now when he's an old fisherman.  

I also like the very small (sizes 3-5) gold rings.  I noticed more than one ring of very small size.  I'm a size 4 and it's been a matter of comment more than once in my life.  [Don't go there, people, lol].  

As an aside, does anyone know what kind of model r/c planes he flew?  Most of those guys who are his age are very into the WWII planes.  Don't ask.  But it makes me wonder if the "Sears Clock Radio" was taken just because he liked it.  It wouldn't have been of any particular value at that time, no matter what vintage.

Just ruminating.  Thanks for reading.  

Criminology Podcast did an interview with JJD's former housekeeper. She stated that she saw lots of women's jewelry in his home but never saw a woman there. It's a good listen.

Quick caveat here...  Morf stated he was only able to do a superficial 'vetting' of her and wasn't entirely convinced this individual was telling the truth (and they were quite difficult to understand at times).  That doesn't mean it is for sure dishonest but there are certainly some questions.

[loner]

One home had a Roman coin from 50BC stolen. I think I'd keep that myself.

[Deleted]

Jun 4, 2018 14:57:40 GMT walter said:

Jun 4, 2018 14:51:31 GMT JayB130 said:

Criminology Podcast did an interview with JJD's former housekeeper. She stated that she saw lots of women's jewelry in his home but never saw a woman there. It's a good listen.

Quick caveat here...  Morf stated he was only able to do a superficial 'vetting' of her and wasn't entirely convinced this individual was telling the truth (and they were quite difficult to understand at times).  That doesn't mean it is for sure dishonest but there are certainly some questions.

I could understand her perfectly, perhaps because I came from a Spanish speaking household so I understood her accent fine. My gut feeling is that she's telling the truth, but might have mixed up and/or embellished some facts due to it being over twenty years ago. Saying she never saw a woman there is odd because we know he shared custody of the kids, but this may have been just after he and the wife separated and terms were not agreed to yet. Also, sounds like she wasn't there very long.

[brow]

In recent years, it was also state that he stole a set of fine china from one of the victims, so recovering that would be an interesting find. Outside of that, the rings that law enforcement confirmed went missing, any ID cards that belonged to the victims and other identifiable trinkets. I'm also curious if he left any tools and disguises that he used during his crimes. He must have had a sizable collection of ski masks and gloves, I wonder if he kept any, along with any murder weapons that went missing from the later crimes - a pipe wrench, crowbar, sprinkler head, the gun that was used in the Snelling murder.

[ellebee]

Jun 4, 2018 14:38:46 GMT bmack1986 said:

Id really like to know what happened to Manuela’s answering machine tape

I'm willing to bet he left threats on her phone. He took it when he left and it's long been destroyed.  

[dudoid]

Jun 4, 2018 14:51:31 GMT JayB130 said:

Jun 4, 2018 5:32:24 GMT molly said:

I couldn't find any posts on this subject.  Now that we have a list from the warrant, I think it's interesting to wonder which would have been kept as memorabilia.  Some of it (I think) was obviously just later sold for cash.  Some of it would have been difficult to hide from his wife.  Some of it may have been given to his wife or someone as a gift.  I suppose there might still be some or one remaining "trophy" items, but most of it would be long gone, I think.  If he was really trying to stop, I think he would have discarded a lot of it.  

If JJD still had in his possession any of the items stolen from victims, or they will be discovered to have been given as gifts, which do you think they might be?

Here are my top picks.

$2 bills
1888 silver dollar
Opal ring 
Opal stick pin
(These I say because opals are a birthstone, and unless very fine or unusual are not particularly popular, and weren't in the 1970's).

I think the class rings and things engraved were taken just as an extra jab.   It's unlikely he pawned them.  I would expect they were discarded as too identifiable; probably not soon after the crimes, but by now when he's an old fisherman.  

I also like the very small (sizes 3-5) gold rings.  I noticed more than one ring of very small size.  I'm a size 4 and it's been a matter of comment more than once in my life.  [Don't go there, people, lol].  

As an aside, does anyone know what kind of model r/c planes he flew?  Most of those guys who are his age are very into the WWII planes.  Don't ask.  But it makes me wonder if the "Sears Clock Radio" was taken just because he liked it.  It wouldn't have been of any particular value at that time, no matter what vintage.

Just ruminating.  Thanks for reading.  

Criminology Podcast did an interview with JJD's former housekeeper. She stated that she saw lots of women's jewelry in his home but never saw a woman there. It's a good listen.

His daughter and graddaughter lived with him.  How could the maid say she never saw a wonam there?

[goldrusher]

Jun 4, 2018 17:40:46 GMT ellebee said:

Jun 4, 2018 14:38:46 GMT bmack1986 said:

Id really like to know what happened to Manuela’s answering machine tape

I'm willing to bet he left threats on her phone. He took it when he left and it's long been destroyed.  

That or he's kept it in a special place as a prized trophy. 

[Deleted]

Jun 4, 2018 15:15:09 GMT loner said:

One home had a Roman coin from 50BC stolen. I think I'd keep that myself.

Denarius are common in Europe, metal detectorists find them easily enough. You could probably get a reasonable condition Roman Republic coin for a couple of hundred bucks. AD coins are cheaper, less than 100. 

[dogs]

Jun 4, 2018 15:15:09 GMT loner said:

One home had a Roman coin from 50BC stolen. I think I'd keep that myself.

Where did you hear this? I am not aware of something so unusual and valuable taken from a victim.

[Deleted]

Jun 4, 2018 16:42:24 GMT brow said:

In recent years, it was also state that he stole a set of fine china from one of the victims, so recovering that would be an interesting find. Outside of that, the rings that law enforcement confirmed went missing, any ID cards that belonged to the victims and other identifiable trinkets. I'm also curious if he left any tools and disguises that he used during his crimes. He must have had a sizable collection of ski masks and gloves, I wonder if he kept any, along with any murder weapons that went missing from the later crimes - a pipe wrench, crowbar, sprinkler head, the gun that was used in the Snelling murder.

www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-70s-4-Hole-Knit-Ski-Mask-White-Red-Black-Scary-Burglar-Robber/163069364736?hash=item25f7b10a00:g:lu0AAOSwPGpbAMIx

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SFGATE: Warrants in Golden State Killer case raise possibility of storage locker filled with 'trophies'

The 123 pages of arrest and search warrants about the man police believe to be the Golden State Killer present a mind-numbing account of his alleged crimes. Recounted in stark detail are just a portion of the hundreds of residential burglaries, more than 50 brutal sexual assaults, and 12 murders Joseph James DeAngelo is suspected of committing.

It's a case law enforcement have been building for decades, beginning with the 1974 burglaries perpetrated by the Visalia Ransacker. In April, detectives announced the arrest of DeAngelo, a 72-year-old resident of Citrus Heights. He has been charged with 12 murders in four counties; he's also a suspect, but hasn't been charged, in a 13th in Tulare County.

DeAngelo has yet to enter a plea; he is expected back in court on July 12.

On Friday, a Sacramento County Superior Court ruled that some of the case's search and arrest records could be released to the public, although large portions were redacted to protect victims and witnesses.

Here are some of the new mysteries about the case that the unsealed records have surfaced:

Did DeAngelo keep a diary and follow media coverage of the Golden State Killer over the years?

A lengthy portion of the search warrant requests permission to search every aspect of DeAngelo’s digital life, from phones and computers to memory sticks and Wi-Fi connections. In the over 30 years since the last known Golden State Killer crime, police believe their suspect continued to follow developments in the case. And if he did, there would be an online paper trail, even if he deleted his search history.

“He would have accessed updated attempts to identify him as the case remained the subject of law enforcement bulletins, media stories and television documentaries,” the warrant reads.

In addition, the warrant states that investigators think DeAngelo might have kept diaries.

“Serial killers and rapists often keep journals or diaries of their criminal activity,” it reads. “Your affiant [the sworn officer filing the search warrant and affidavit] believes that DeAngelo could have downloaded this journal to computer format.”

Did the killer keep trophies from his alleged victims?

The Golden State Killer was a prolific thief, as the pages of stolen items in the search warrant attest. He took dozens of rings — many of them personalized or one-of-a-kind — ID cards, snapshots, house and car keys, and even one wooden bowl. The litany of odds and ends were never found, and investigators think DeAngelo could be in possession of them still.

So-called trophies aren’t uncommon among serial killers. Jerry Brudos, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gein all kept trophies to keep the twisted fantasy alive long after the murder was committed.

“Without the souvenir, some serial killers may not even be sure that they had acted upon their fantasy,” Peter Vronsky writes in “Serial Killers: The Method and Madness of Monsters.” “Others use the souvenir to perpetuate the pleasure and excitement they sparked during the murder.”

Cold-case investigator Paul Holes, who was a key player in the arrest of DeAngelo, has also floated the idea of the suspect using trophies to relive his crimes years later.

So is there a hidden storage unit somewhere?

Law enforcement believes there might be.

“Based on my training and experience, your affiant is aware that suspects will frequently use storage facilities/units to store items take during the course of their criminal activity,” records indicate.

DeAngelo "accumulated a considerable amount of personal property from his victims, much of this property taken as trophies,” it continues. "It is your affiant’s belief the suspect would maintain the stolen items over the years; thereby, keeping them in an offsite location like a storage unit.”

What is the redacted item the suspect wore at multiple crime scenes?

One persistent redaction involves the suspect description. Nearly everything the Golden State Killer wore is mentioned in the arrest warrants; shoes, jackets, pants, gloves, T-shirts and even types of underwear are readily described. But one item — and it's often a fairly lengthy description — is consistently blacked out.

"The suspect wore [redacted], a heavy coat, tan leather gloves and possible fatigue type pants," reads one description.

"She indicated the suspect was wearing [redacted] and a nylon type jacket," reads another.

The most likely candidate for the redacted item is a mask, which the Golden State Killer wore for nearly all of his crimes. He used a variety of purchased and homemade masks, which would account for some descriptions being longer than others.

FBI evidence photos show several types of masks, one a brightly patterned red-and-black ski mask and another a burlap sack with an eye slit cut out.

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For now, the list of items found in DeAngelo's Citrus Heights home remains sealed by a judge. Any revelations from the executed search warrant will likely be revealed when the case goes to trial.