So an interesting question popped into my head as I'm listening to Profiled: The Zodiac Examined by Mark Hewitt...
In all the analysis and profiling that's been done on Z, has there ever been any speculation about whether he might have been a homosexual?
It was Hewitt's discussion of the Paul Stine murder that led me to wonder about this. Stine was murdered in San Francisco only a couple months after the Stonewall Riots which have been marked as the beginning of the Gay Liberation movement.
There are major differences between the Stine murder and Z's previous crimes -- it just makes you wonder, you know?
Without sounding rude, I'm not trying to be, but no it doesn't make me wonder at all.
Having opinions is great and everyone is entitled to them - but when you're trying to share them I think you need to have a solid base or foundation to work from. For me, there's nothing about Zodiac or his crimes that has ever suggested homosexuality. Quite the opposite, he killed Cheri Jo (if this was truly Z) and attacked couples in lovers lanes. Either he was unsuccessful with women himself and envied the young couples - remember two men survived the attacks, or they were easy targets in remote areas. Maybe both.
But as far as being gay? I don't see it - it's almost like saying he attacked a couple on July 4th could this mean he loved USA, or maybe he hated what Independence Day symbolised - or maybe we're just looking into it too much.
The Paul Stine case is an anomaly however. Middle aged cab driver no female, in San Francisco. Always threw me off that one, probably why he did it.
I think this comes from paul avery when he stated "The killer of five who calls himself 'Zodiac' is a clumsy criminal, a liar and possibly a latent homosexual." in an article he wrote on October 18th 1969. Paul Stine was murdered on October 11th 1969 and The Chronicle doesn't receive the Paul Stine shirt until October 13th, so the killing of Paul Stine could not have been a response to being called a latent homosexual by Paul Avery BUT Paul Avery did receive a response from Zodiac a little over a year after, I think Oct. 29th 1970. Though Paul Avery got a response I think Paul Stine was just a victim of opportunity and I don't think it was anything more then that.
I personally really don't know what/why a serial killer's sexuality matters? I think the only case where it meant anything was with the doodler because sexuality prevented victims from coming forward because they feared repercussions for outing themselves.
Well I think Zodiac was turned on by killing both men and women and that's as far as any homosexuality goes. He was sexually excited in cold blooded killing men and women. But my androgyny blinds me, So my input in this thread is worth about nothing.lol
The sexuality in a psychopath is not like the sexuality in a normal person. You don't know his motivations , one thing we know he starter killing couples. They get arousal by power, control. They had lack of empathy, sensation seekers, grandiosity, fearless, lack of guild and remorse. They have God complex as a narcissistic trade, power over life or death. Does not have to commit rape to be sexuality motivated crime besides rape has nothing to do with sex.
Yeah, I think assigning vagaries about Zodiac's sexuality in relation to the crimes doesn't seem to hold water unless there's something that actually brings it into focus. You can accurately say that the Stonewall Riots were a catalyst and not the beginning of the Gay Liberation Movement. The Compton's Cafe Riot in San Francisco in 1966 is as much a catalyst as Stonewall in a movement whose groundswell had similar incidents all over the country and occurred earlier. If Zodiac was a long-time local, did he kill Stine because of a long simmering hatred of what happened at Compton's and somehow Stonewall lit a fire...or are we assigning anything to anything??
It seems like many people were latent homosexuals in the era if they couldn't figure them out and that was seemingly a "go to" designation whether it truly involved a sexuality aspect or not. On that count, I'm old enough to not automatically view that as a homophobic description but more as a knee-jerk reaction to someone as an assigned pathos that tries to solve the motivations.
Post by peekthroughthepines on Aug 17, 2018 16:12:36 GMT
I don`t think Z was gay. I think he had some resentment towards women. I think he killed Stine because the male victims kept living in his attacks and he also wanted to switch his pattern up to cause more fear. Notice after Stine he claimed he would make his killings look like accidents etc. I think he was getting scared to be honest and stopped.
I think he killed Stine because the male victims kept living in his attacks and he also wanted to switch his pattern up to cause more fear. Notice after Stine he claimed he would make his killings look like accidents etc. I think he was getting scared to be honest and stopped.
peekthroughthepines you raise some very interesting points. I hope you don't mind I deleted just a few of your words. Didn't Zodiak once brag to the public, that he would kill more people but the authorities would never be able to identify him because he was intent on changing his m/o? Anyway, I like your thoughts on that...…..
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