JJD Would Call in Sick at Auburn PD

[EaglesNumberOne]

Jun 18, 2019 19:19:53 GMT @wonkybob said:

Jun 18, 2019 17:26:33 GMT EaglesNumberOne said:

What I meant was that connecting these things to JJD specifically would of been impossible. Connecting the EAR to the VR was totally plausible, particularly for jurisdictions that were actively working the case, and yes, that link was made by many. Connecting the actual person to the crimes is an entirely different thing that some folks confuse as the same thing.

Thanks for the clarification. But I'll have to disagree that no one could have connected JJD to VR.

A lot of people were convinced that EAR was VR. A lot of people thought EAR was LE. All it would have taken is someone who believed both of those things looking at cops and former cops in the surrounding area of Visalia. Then, tracking his movements back to the Sacramento area. A smart person who stumbled upon the baby face Exeter photo could have dug further on DeAngelo and easily found the Auburn photo online. The timeline would then click. Boom, next thing you know, he is a POI and Dr. Doogie is out digging in his trash.

If Holes had not been so anti VR, anti cop, anti military theory, I think he would have got him years ago.

That’s still a lot of cops to vet. Sacramento is fairly large and how far do you expand out from each city to cross reference. You have to get every cops detailed employment history for each city (all of which is likely only on paper and not searchable on a computer at the time). It’s still a long stretch in my opinion and it doesn’t make it easier when you have decent suspects with histories in the offending areas. You would ultimately have to disregard all of those leads and devote yourself full time to gathering said info on cops. You’d have to be totally convinced this guy was a cop and not just somewhat certain and be willing to work through all of that incomplete info. Even the guys who were from Visalia who believed the EAR was the VR could of cross referenced citizens who had lived within a certain radius of each area and come up with a list, but that info simply wouldn’t have existed in a format you could work with in those days.

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Jun 18, 2019 21:07:46 GMT EaglesNumberOne said:

Jun 18, 2019 19:19:53 GMT @wonkybob said:

Thanks for the clarification. But I'll have to disagree that no one could have connected JJD to VR.

A lot of people were convinced that EAR was VR. A lot of people thought EAR was LE. All it would have taken is someone who believed both of those things looking at cops and former cops in the surrounding area of Visalia. Then, tracking his movements back to the Sacramento area. A smart person who stumbled upon the baby face Exeter photo could have dug further on DeAngelo and easily found the Auburn photo online. The timeline would then click. Boom, next thing you know, he is a POI and Dr. Doogie is out digging in his trash.

If Holes had not been so anti VR, anti cop, anti military theory, I think he would have got him years ago.

That’s still a lot of cops to vet. Sacramento is fairly large and how far do you expand out from each city to cross reference. You have to get every cops detailed employment history for each city (all of which is likely only on paper and not searchable on a computer at the time). It’s still a long stretch in my opinion and it doesn’t make it easier when you have decent suspects with histories in the offending areas. You would ultimately have to disregard all of those leads and devote yourself full time to gathering said info on cops. You’d have to be totally convinced this guy was a cop and not just somewhat certain and be willing to work through all of that incomplete info. Even the guys who were from Visalia who believed the EAR was the VR could of cross referenced citizens who had lived within a certain radius of each area and come up with a list, but that info simply wouldn’t have existed in a format you could work with in those days.

"Sacramento is fairly large and how far do you expand out from each city to cross reference"

This is the point I've been trying to make for a year and even before arrest. Everyone was looking in Sacramento. I agree with you that Sacramento is large. I fought with posters pre arrest who were saying that LE should interview old timers in Sacramento.

No. It made a lot more sense to start the investigation in the much smaller Visalia area and branch out from there.

Find LE POI's around Visalia.

BTW: I'm not talking about the old investigation. I'm talking about the last 10 years.

[zoinkersscoob]

Jun 18, 2019 21:22:52 GMT @wonkybob said:

No. It made a lot more sense to start the investigation in the much smaller Visalia area and branch out from there.

Find LE POI's around Visalia.

BTW: I'm not talking about the old investigation. I'm talking about the last 10 years.

That would have the correct approach with hindsight. But Deangelo was right under McGowen's nose and McGowen was a  detective and eyewitness who still couldn't find him.

Contemporaneously, I think it would have been almost impossible to make the connection through Visalia area LE without hundreds of of dead ends. (Assuming you even could find out where to start with this.) Sacramento County arrested him for shoplifting, and even they didn't think he was interesting enough to further investigate. Deangelo had nothing on him except his DNA.

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Jun 20, 2019 8:04:06 GMT zoinkersscoob said:

Jun 18, 2019 21:22:52 GMT @wonkybob said:

No. It made a lot more sense to start the investigation in the much smaller Visalia area and branch out from there.

Find LE POI's around Visalia.

BTW: I'm not talking about the old investigation. I'm talking about the last 10 years.

That would have the correct approach with hindsight. But Deangelo was right under McGowen's nose and McGowen was a  detective and eyewitness who still couldn't find him.

Contemporaneously, I think it would have been almost impossible to make the connection through Visalia area LE without hundreds of of dead ends. (Assuming you even could find out where to start with this.) Sacramento County arrested him for shoplifting, and even they didn't think he was interesting enough to further investigate. Deangelo had nothing on him except his DNA.

That was my correct approach with foresight pre arrest. Not hindsight.

One of my usernames pre arrest is now considered a bad word on this board. If you punch it in, it turns into an asterisk (*).

Most of my ramblings on how he should be hunted were deleted by Drifter because I opposed his VIP kung fu mast sniper theory. Maybe smart internet peeps could find them on the way back machine.

I was preaching to look for cops around Visalia way before the arrest. That's the truth.

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Bonnie and her family didn't put 2 & 2 together as the crimes were happening. JJD's adoptive family didn't put 2 & 2 together. JJD's real family didn't put 2 & 2 together. Willick and his police force (including Eagles' Dad) didn't put 2 & 2 together (even after working with/replacing such an odd guy). That could be close to 50 people right there that never thought about a connection even though they dealt with the man.

Instead, at the time, you have people looking for a person that resembles a lot of questionable composites and a lack of real time information or information so spread out (and not really cached in a database for interested parties) that connecting the dots really would take some effort.

Kudos to the 12-26-75 podcasters for admitting that he was on their radar but they didn't go thru with investigating him. I've always found that interesting how they seemingly pick apart everything on they decide to podcast about but they passed on a serious look at JJD even with the internet as an added information source.

Here's a podcast they did before JJD was caught: soundcloud.com/12-26-75/ep-13-vr-ear . A very frustrating listen given how they had looked at JJD and passed him up.

[insomniac]

bribri, do you mean that JJD in particular was on LE's radar but they didn't follow through?

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Jun 20, 2019 20:28:56 GMT insomniac said:

bribri, do you mean that JJD in particular was on LE's radar but they didn't follow through?

No, I was referring to the 12-26-75 podcasters.

This is their May 2nd, 2018 podcast (about 9 days after JJD was arrested): shows.pippa.io/5b0b51d35d2f788725c01ea7/episodes/ep-16-sgt-joe-deangelo-exeterpd

Around the 21 minute mark they admit to having looked at JJD a couple of years before 2018.

[insomniac]

Thanks, bribri. I will give a listen.

[griswold]

I brought this fact up before, and was labeled a troll because I inadvertently deleted a quote when I posted. Here are more facts on display, I am not a troll. I was again falsly accused like Oscar Clifton, just not as severely in this case.

[elir]

Jun 20, 2019 23:05:43 GMT @bribri said:

Jun 20, 2019 20:28:56 GMT insomniac said:

bribri, do you mean that JJD in particular was on LE's radar but they didn't follow through?

No, I was referring to the 12-26-75 podcasters.

This is their May 2nd, 2018 podcast (about 9 days after JJD was arrested): shows.pippa.io/5b0b51d35d2f788725c01ea7/episodes/ep-16-sgt-joe-deangelo-exeterpd

Around the 21 minute mark they admit to having looked at JJD a couple of years before 2018.

The 12-26-75 podcasters had JJD on their radar? They make a lot of claims that are hard to back up. Local reporters were open to their claims about JJDs role in the two Exeter area murders and to Clifton being framed but the podcasters wouldn’t share any of their records. In other words they claimed to have exonerating evidence yet wouldn’t share that to allow further investigation and verification of the claims.

If they won’t share evidence that they claim will exonerate an innocent man , then it makes all of their claims highly suspect, in my opinion.

[walter]

Jun 22, 2019 10:57:04 GMT elir said:

Jun 20, 2019 23:05:43 GMT @bribri said:

No, I was referring to the 12-26-75 podcasters.

This is their May 2nd, 2018 podcast (about 9 days after JJD was arrested): shows.pippa.io/5b0b51d35d2f788725c01ea7/episodes/ep-16-sgt-joe-deangelo-exeterpd

Around the 21 minute mark they admit to having looked at JJD a couple of years before 2018.

The 12-26-75 podcasters had JJD on their radar? They make a lot of claims that are hard to back up. Local reporters were open to their claims about JJDs role in the two Exeter area murders and to Clifton being framed but the podcasters wouldn’t share any of their records. In other words they claimed to have exonerating evidence yet wouldn’t share that to allow further investigation and verification of the claims.

If they won’t share evidence that they claim will exonerate an innocent man , then it makes all of their claims highly suspect, in my opinion.

They claim they looked at him and passed over him because he didn't fit the description.  They said he had olive skin in the picture (which was a sepia toned picture).  They did exactly the thing they grill over people to death over and scream prosecutorial misconduct.

They are a little difficult to take because they refuse to even slightly acknowledge their vast conspiracy MIGHT be wrong.

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Jun 22, 2019 14:28:18 GMT walter said:

Jun 22, 2019 10:57:04 GMT elir said:

The 12-26-75 podcasters had JJD on their radar? They make a lot of claims that are hard to back up. Local reporters were open to their claims about JJDs role in the two Exeter area murders and to Clifton being framed but the podcasters wouldn’t share any of their records. In other words they claimed to have exonerating evidence yet wouldn’t share that to allow further investigation and verification of the claims.

If they won’t share evidence that they claim will exonerate an innocent man , then it makes all of their claims highly suspect, in my opinion.

They claim they looked at him and passed over him because he didn't fit the description.  They said he had olive skin in the picture (which was a sepia toned picture).  They did exactly the thing they grill over people to death over and scream prosecutorial misconduct.

They are a little difficult to take because they refuse to even slightly acknowledge their vast conspiracy MIGHT be wrong.

I can't exactly say I believe them but I believe them about as much as any webslueth who "knew" JJD was this or that (their focus is on something other than solving the EAR/ONS). I do give them kudos for admitting to hundreds (thousands?) of people that they failed as I can't see why they would admit to that if they didn't have to.

I think it's a testament to how Deangelo was just an unknown, maybe because of longstanding false composites or theories (the FBI was using composites that didn't look anything like Deangelo www.fbi.gov/news/stories/help-us-catch-the-east-area-rapist), that even the people that knew/worked with him personally couldn't connect the dots, or people that researched every aspect of the crimes just couldn't make any headway in figuring out who he was. Not that anyone did it here, but what seems so easy for people standing in the bleachers and shouting, "He should have been easy to find because he is a former criminal cop that pulled a gun on his ex-fiance," doesn't seem so easy if investigators like the 12-26-75 people, along with everyone else that knew or interacted personally with the guy, just passed on him.

I think a day after he was arrested the proboards sleuths were already digging up/hearing about his arrest for shoplifting ( earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/6119/breaking-news?page=2 at 2:17 am it was found out that he was a shoplifter) which seems like something the 12-26-75 podcasters would have easily found in 2016,I'm guessing, if they were really looking at police officers (the only reason to have looked at Deangelo).

[griswold]

Jun 21, 2019 13:39:10 GMT griswold said:

I brought this fact up before, and was labeled a troll because I inadvertently deleted a quote when I posted. Here are more facts on display, I am not a troll. I was again falsly accused like Oscar Clifton, just not as severely in this case.

[griswold]

Radar radar radar, weird...

[griswold]

Radar Radar Radar what the heck is going on with you people. "Is everyone on drugs?"