Why Was It Hard To Believe EAR+VR=COP?

[cleopatra]

I know we're all now making sense of a lot of clues that we combed through a thousand times.  But I'm still floored at the many clues there were that pointed to the EAR possibly being a cop, yet that theory was never a solid angle.  For one, it was constantly brought up in Sudden Terror and HAP and other places:  How the hell does the EAR know when the cops are coming and how does he always manage to stay just one step ahead of them?  Shelby even pondered clues and statements made by witnesses and victims that "possibly described a cop" -  Flashlights?  Holster belt?  gun belt?  Then there was the one BIG one that got Shelby really wondering - the victim who said she heard his police radio right outside her window just a few minutes before he rang her bell, but Shelby said it wasn't him.  HMMMMMMMM???

Then of course, after it was determined or speculated that since the EAR was always one step ahead and always knew where police officers were stationed in the areas, a thread here was started that got us all looking into radio/scanners that anyone could have gotten back in the 1970s from Radio Shack.  Why didn't we pursue a REGULAR POLICE SCANNER angle?  And of course, Trubuco posted a list of very convincing evidence that the EAR was most likely a cop.  A lot of us could not accept that the EAR might be a cop.  The betrayal is too deep to acknowledge.

 Here's an observation made by a poster who just joined this board a week before the arrest, and beneath it is an excerpt I took from HAP:

Feb 14, 2018 at 9:57am findgsk, Captain, and 2 more like this
Post by tede on Feb 14, 2018 at 9:57am

this is from redditor lisbethborden on the earons reddit page - so credit to him/her. I also refined the audio in Audition a little bit l and I can now hear it clear as day, but you can hear it even without messing with the audio.

"Pardon me for being somewhat new to the case, as this may have been discussed before ad nauseam... I know the TV movie in the background of the "Gonna kill you" call has been identified, but does anyone else hear the sound of two-way radio (like police or paramedics etc use)? It starts at the 42-43 second mark, there are clicks, static, then at 45 seconds, sounds like a male voice on that radio says 'okay...allllright...' or somesuch. It sounds separate from the movie dialogue. Was it part of the movie?

As I said, I'm pretty new here, but I've never seen it mentioned. Anyone else hear it? To me it was unmistakably a police radio, but what do I know?"

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Attack #16
Pre-Attack Events
Early February, 1977

A house near the victim's was burglarized. The upstairs window was the point of entry. The police were called but no one responded to take a report. This same neighbor, in mid March, sees what she thinks is a police officer near the victim's house late at night.

Immediate Aftermath
April 2nd, 1977 4:30 AM or 5:00 AM
(HAP: A neighbor sees a small foreign vehicle circling the block several times. This is in the time frame that the EAR leaves the victim's house.)
April 2nd, 1977 6:00 AM
A next-door neighbor looks outside of her window because her dog is barking. She sees a dark-colored vehicle (HAP: possibly brown or even purple), full-size, loud exhaust backing out of the victim's driveway. She didn't see the driver. I rarely offer commentary but this sighting is strange for a few reasons. For one, according to source material the police should've been here by now if the police were indeed called shortly after 5:00 AM. It's possible that the neighbor saw a police vehicle, but according to Shelby no police vehicle on the scene matched this description.

[jackydee]

A couple of points come to mind:

1. Statistics. I believed ear had a YeTdeep knowledge of crime or LE. I PErsonally thought he was a skilled ex-con. Why? Numbers. There seem to be far more ex-cons in society than ex-police.

2. There were theories about everything. He was a student, in the medical field, a construction worker, Vietnam vet(I take JJD's navy stint as being only marginally relevant to the crimes). Before he was caught I could make a case our perp was in a dozen different industries or careers, and I could make a decent case for each different career.

[crabtree]

I think that it would be productive to list reasons that made it harder to believe that EARONS was a cop - without the benefit of the hindsight.

1. A very busy schedule of prowling. There was so much activity that it was a bit hard to believe that a policeman - presumably, a person with a very busy occupation - would be able to keep up.

2. Witness descriptions. A lot of descriptions of the perp sounded as if he was very young, so he would be at the very start of his career - seemingly, too young to pick up the cop experience needed for the burglaries.

3. Rapid end of the series. It seemed as if a person was forced to stop, either due to geographic movement, or, quite likely, due to the fact that they were caught. Both options were somewhat uncharacteristic of the law enforcement, and would point towards either army or prison population more strongly.

4. Rapid start of the series - or, at least, the perception of the rapid start of the series. This suggested that the perp gained experience elsewhere - which also suggested a professional burglar, or at least an ex-offender. Combine it with age and the fact that there was at least some sort of pre-screening for the police, and it gets less likely.

5. Unique MO, particularly - the alarm system. Since none in the LE heard of anything similar, it would be logical to assume that if a policeman was actually behind the series, he'd use something that the police would know, not invent something so unique.

6. A fruitless hunt by the police for one of their own. Since the police actively suspected that EAR was one of them - but didn't catch anyone - it actually made sense that the EAR himself would rather have a relative in the police, but not be a police himself.

7. Finally, lack of positive evidence. There wasn't that much left at the scene to suggest that EAR was the police, while EAR made sure there were enough clues to think otherwise.

Combine all the above with the fact that it's very hard to research ex-police - and, mind it, for a good reason - and you have yourself a good explanation why outright police officers were less popular as a theory than someone who'd be "near police", but not in the police itself.

[riverstorum]

A lot of us could not accept that the EAR might be a cop.

I am not trying to be rude here but its because yall didnt WANT to accept it. So I dont know, why didnt you want to?

But plenty of us did accept it. And somehow its us who are still!! the ones being lectured and condescended to for it. (Not by you, cleopatra but others in GSK Land.)

[brittz]

I agree i always thought he was a cop and yes we who thought he was a cop got alot of backlash for it

[jaguar]

As mentioned, there were LEO's involved in the efforts to catch the GSK who believed the perp was a cop. My father-in-law was a Tulare County sheriffs deputy who participated in the stakeouts for the VR, and he believed the VR was a cop for the same reasons already mentioned in the previous post. Bill McGowan's son mentioned in an interview that his father believed the VR was a cop. Michele McNamara mentions in her book that there were Sac sheriffs that believed the EAR was a cop. 

One reason many may not have had the same opinion is that LEO serial killers and/or serial rapists are rare. I am not aware of others, although besides the GSK, serial killers aren't something I'm very well versed in.

Too bad the LEO angle was not investigated more closely in 1976-1979. The number of LEO's working in Tulare County in 1974-1976 who moved to East Sac area sometime in the first half of 1976 I'm sure was quite small. He was not going to be Visalia P.D. because if he was McGowan would have recognized him. That leaves TCSO and a few small-town police departments within commuting distance of Visalia. Like Exeter for example.

[cleopatra]

Jun 18, 2018 20:34:07 GMT riverstorum said:

A lot of us could not accept that the EAR might be a cop.

I am not trying to be rude here but its because yall didnt WANT to accept it. So I dont know, why didnt you want to?

But plenty of us did accept it. And somehow its us who are still!! the ones being lectured and condescended to for it. (Not by you, cleopatra but others in GSK Land.)

Riverstone, as hard as it was for me to accept the fact that the EAR might be a cop, believe it or not, 3 of my POIs were cops. Why/how? I followed the clues. All 3 lived and worked in Santa Barbara and Sac at the right times, 2 served in the Navy and one was a professional bike racer, 1 also worked for Alpha Beta for 10 years in NorCal before becoming a cop in Santa Barbara.

I just followed the clues.

[Drifter]

Jun 18, 2018 20:34:07 GMT riverstorum said:

A lot of us could not accept that the EAR might be a cop.

I am not trying to be rude here but its because yall didnt WANT to accept it.

But plenty of us did accept it. And somehow its us who are still!! the ones being lectured and condescended to for it. (Not by you, cleopatra but others in GSK Land.)

Yes, I would agree with that, riverstorum.

And it's getting tiresome.

The list presented by poster "crabtree" is just another example of making excuses for failure, a practice that California LE has been doing for 40 years ... and continues to do, i.e. recent interview with Carol Daly.

That the EAR/ONS might be in the cop profession was never taken seriously either by California LE or by most posters here.  And now these posters want to lecture the rest of us about how it could possibly be that we were so misled all these years.

To crabtree and other posters with similar thoughts ... not everyone in this forum bought into the standard LE propaganda that the EAR/ONS was just some low-life generic criminal.

These "EAR-is-just-your-ordinary-low-life-street-thug" posters need to do a little self-reflection, I would think, and be a bit more open-minded about theories that go against the herd instinct. 

Drifter

[Drifter]

cleopatra wrote:

Why Was It Hard To Believe EAR+VS=COP?

What exactly is ... "VS"?

D.

[utahraptor]

Jun 18, 2018 23:14:43 GMT Drifter said:

Jun 18, 2018 20:34:07 GMT riverstorum said:

I am not trying to be rude here but its because yall didnt WANT to accept it.

But plenty of us did accept it. And somehow its us who are still!! the ones being lectured and condescended to for it. (Not by you, cleopatra but others in GSK Land.)

Yes, I would agree with that, riverstorum.

And it's getting tiresome.

The list presented by poster "crabtree" is just another example of making excuses for failure, a practice that California LE has been doing for 40 years ... and continues to do, i.e. recent interview with Carol Daly.

That the EAR/ONS might be in the cop profession was never taken seriously either by California LE or by most posters here.  And now these posters want to lecture the rest of us about how it could possibly be that we were so misled all these years.

To crabtree and other posters with similar thoughts ... not everyone in this forum bought into the standard LE propaganda that the EAR/ONS was just some low-life generic criminal.

These "EAR-is-just-your-ordinary-low-life-street-thug" posters need to do a little self-reflection, I would think, and be a bit more open-minded about theories that go against the herd instinct. 

Drifter

This is my opinion....and my opinion only.....this with a dollar will get you a Diet Coke.

I think we have to take into account that 40 years ago, the knowledge of serial offenders, rapists, etc was just not what it is today, nor was it discussed in the way that it is today.  Listen to Jane Carson-Sandler's interviews about how taboo it was to talk about rape in the 1970s.  

Additionally, during the 1976 Bicentennial, I'm sure that we as Americans - and I'm guessing Californians- just couldn't really wrap our heads around a police officer as "the guy."  Looking back, it now seems so obvious....hell, JJD looks like a one man crime wave.  

One thing I've learned is that if you can't "imagine it" or "see it" in your mind, you won't see it as it plays out right in front of you.  It's like invisibility.  

The one thing that sticks in my "craw" is whether the LEOs thought maybe he was one of them.  And did they talk about that?  And if they did, what did the upper ranks/managers say about that theory?

[Relentless]

For me, it was the composites of him having longer hair. I really went with the Rodney Miller drawing because he got such a good look at him. And didn't think he would be wearing a wig under that ski mask. Plus I thought he was young during the attacks.

[f1guyus]

“Don’t plan on us catching this guy. He knows the rules of evidence” Policewoman who interviewed both Stockton victims and six Sac victims to make sure we didn’t have a copycat. In 1978-79 if memory serves.

“He’s a cop” Wife of a co-worker working in the day as campus security at the local JC.

“He’s a cop” Me in 2013 when I saw the crime scene photos in the LA Magazine story. The way the ligatures were tied was a dead giveaway.

Then the badge bunnies show up.

And really don’t get me started on two Sac detectives going to Contra Costa County when everybody else got a teletype. Or Sac tossing the rape kits in 1986 and now saying they were pretty sure EAR killed the Maggiores. And really don’t get me started on the shoplifting arrest.

Or the badge bunnies defending organizational behavior 101.

[oldguy]

Always thought he was a fired cop wannabe..from my earliest posts. I just did not think he would have lasted much after training. My presumed scenario was .1. Really marginal cop terminated in training or terminated as a probation period officer- Followed by 2. Armed security work. Speculated that he scarfed up all the training the security company offered just b/c he liked it.

I wonder now...did JJD use Super Vel ammo for his first known "thrill kill" (Offerman-Manning) as a kind of "F.U." to the world of LE? "So you boot me out huh? So I use your finest tools to do my dirtiest work. F.U."

[femto]

Jun 18, 2018 3:17:27 GMT cleopatra said:

How the hell does the EAR know when the cops are coming and how does he always manage to stay just one step ahead of them?

There's no single shred of evidence to suggest that the EAR knew when the cops would be coming or not. He just did what any smart man would do in a similiar type of situation - make the victim feel that you're in the house that by the time they realize there is a chance that you're gone, you'll already have 30 to an hour or even more of a headstart.

  Shelby even pondered clues and statements made by witnesses and victims that "possibly described a cop" -  Flashlights?  Holster belt?  gun belt? 

Neither the flashlight, nor the holster are anything unique to cops. In order to even hold the amount of weapons he did you absolutely need that type of belt. You can't just put them in your jacket.

Then there was the one BIG one that got Shelby really wondering - the victim who said she heard his police radio right outside her window just a few minutes before he rang her bell, but Shelby said it wasn't him.  HMMMMMMMM???

Which victim was that? Can't remember?

Then of course, after it was determined or speculated that since the EAR was always one step ahead and always knew where police officers were stationed in the areas, a thread here was started that got us all looking into radio/scanners that anyone could have gotten back in the 1970s from Radio Shack.  Why didn't we pursue a REGULAR POLICE SCANNER angle?  And of course, Trubuco posted a list of very convincing evidence that the EAR was most likely a cop.  A lot of us could not accept that the EAR might be a cop.  The betrayal is too deep to acknowledge.

 Here's an observation made by a poster who just joined this board a week before the arrest, and beneath it is an excerpt I took from HAP:

Feb 14, 2018 at 9:57am findgsk, Captain, and 2 more like this
Post by tede on Feb 14, 2018 at 9:57am

this is from redditor lisbethborden on the earons reddit page - so credit to him/her. I also refined the audio in Audition a little bit l and I can now hear it clear as day, but you can hear it even without messing with the audio.

"Pardon me for being somewhat new to the case, as this may have been discussed before ad nauseam... I know the TV movie in the background of the "Gonna kill you" call has been identified, but does anyone else hear the sound of two-way radio (like police or paramedics etc use)? It starts at the 42-43 second mark, there are clicks, static, then at 45 seconds, sounds like a male voice on that radio says 'okay...allllright...' or somesuch. It sounds separate from the movie dialogue. Was it part of the movie?

As I said, I'm pretty new here, but I've never seen it mentioned. Anyone else hear it? To me it was unmistakably a police radio, but what do I know?"

The problem with this is that walkie talkies or scanners were extremely popular back then and didn't really require for the person to be in the military or being police. I even had one as a kid, it was a fun way of communicating and that was a time when cell phones were in existence. I can't imagine how valuable walkie talkies would have been in the 70's when people didn't really have much in the way of communicating outside their house phone. Also, people have been digesting the background sounds of that video for years and years until a few years ago they finally found were they come from. I don't think the police had that much time to analyze the background audio as much as thousands of determined sleuths could for years.

The other problem is that we have no evidence the EAR knew where the police would be. Aside from the scanner that didn't require him being a police at all. His job as a cop in Auburn wouldn't have given him any additional insight aside from basic police knowledge.

Attack #16
Pre-Attack Events
Early February, 1977

A house near the victim's was burglarized. The upstairs window was the point of entry. The police were called but no one responded to take a report. This same neighbor, in mid March, sees what she thinks is a police officer near the victim's house late at night

DeAngelo wasn't the only criminal in Sacramento burglarizing houses. Second, he's not that stupid to show in uniform because that'd be one of the quickest ways to nab his ass. Third, "she thinks", she's really not sure what she saw. Thus, you can give some credibility, but definitely not enough to raise an eyebrow because witness statements can be honestly damaging to a case a lot of times.

Immediate Aftermath
April 2nd, 1977 4:30 AM or 5:00 AM
(HAP: A neighbor sees a small foreign vehicle circling the block several times. This is in the time frame that the EAR leaves the victim's house.)
April 2nd, 1977 6:00 AM
A next-door neighbor looks outside of her window because her dog is barking. She sees a dark-colored vehicle (HAP: possibly brown or even purple), full-size, loud exhaust backing out of the victim's driveway. She didn't see the driver. I rarely offer commentary but this sighting is strange for a few reasons. For one, according to source material the police should've been here by now if the police were indeed called shortly after 5:00 AM. It's possible that the neighbor saw a police vehicle, but according to Shelby no police vehicle on the scene matched this description.

You forgot to add this part: "For another, later in the morning the bloodhound traces the EAR's trail to a location three blocks away so it takes some mental gymnastics to bring this sighting into the fold, however I'm not discounting what the witness saw or her description of events."

This wasn't EAR style to park his car right next to the victim's house. His style has always been to ride his bike or run to a location some miles down, get in the car and get the hell out of there. Thus I find it hard to believe the statements from that witness as they don't make much sense and they're, quite frankly, impossible given the bloodhound traces.



Guys, as much as it is easy to say now that him saying "Freeze!" or him holding the flashlight above his shoulder make him automatically a cop, there are far more likelier explanation than that. And even if we somehow believe there was something in that angle - a military guy, a person with a military background in the family, a security guy or even just an avid citizens who has read stories on police tactics would know those basic things. Aside from the dishes he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary here. 

Let's abandon what we know of the EAR now and roll back time to before he was caught. What was the EAR's profile? You have a 23-24 (average from all the victim's statements) guy, youngish looking, with hair to his shoulders, blond, 5-8 to 6'0. Very athletic, able to outrun most people on foot, a car on a bike and jump over high fences like they're nothing. That's his physical attributes. Personality wise, you have a person who is very immature in the way he talks (like some punk out of the street), immature in the way he acts, smart but very emotionally unstable - going over the handle constantly, talking to himself and having this brazenness of doing things, like he thinks he is untouchable. You also have a guy that constantly finds the time to stalk, prowl and commit those attacks that went on for hours extremely regularly.

Then you have his blunders. As good as he was, it's just impossible to deny that some of his attacks scream incompetence. In attack #3 he completely failed to subdue his victims. His attacks against the mother were extremely uneffective and not something a cop would have done to restrain a victim. In attack #13 he almost got shot due to a victim grabbing ahold of his gun and his carelessness. Again, a stupid thing for a cop would do. In attack #48 he got caught with his pants down and in the first ONS attack he lost complete control and the victims basically made a mockery out of him. In this attack he also wasn't methodical as he ruined his chances with the "i'll kill them" chant showing signs of extreme mental instability.

In the vast majority of his attacks the script went fine. He woke up the victims at the middle of the night, tied them up, put the dishes on the guy, raped the woman, ransacked the house and escaped. But whenever he was challenged he always looked like a deer stuck in the headlights, confused on what to do and how to react. Not really showing the skills of a cop (or even a military man) who could subdue his victims easily.

I still find it hard to believe that this guy had a wife, a job and still had enough time to stalk and drive on for hours to the locations of his attacks and then had the energy to spent another couple of hours at his victim's house or prowling somewhere around. That's just ridiculous to me.

[cleopatra]

Jun 19, 2018 3:45:11 GMT femto said:

Jun 18, 2018 3:17:27 GMT cleopatra said:

How the hell does the EAR know when the cops are coming and how does he always manage to stay just one step ahead of them?

There's no single shred of evidence to suggest that the EAR knew when the cops would be coming or not. He just did what any smart man would do in a similiar type of situation - make the victim feel that you're in the house that by the time they realize there is a chance that you're gone, you'll already have 30 to an hour or even more of a headstart.

  Shelby even pondered clues and statements made by witnesses and victims that "possibly described a cop" -  Flashlights?  Holster belt?  gun belt? 

Neither the flashlight, nor the holster are anything unique to cops. In order to even hold the amount of weapons he did you absolutely need that type of belt. You can't just put them in your jacket.

Then there was the one BIG one that got Shelby really wondering - the victim who said she heard his police radio right outside her window just a few minutes before he rang her bell, but Shelby said it wasn't him.  HMMMMMMMM???

Which victim was that? Can't remember?

Then of course, after it was determined or speculated that since the EAR was always one step ahead and always knew where police officers were stationed in the areas, a thread here was started that got us all looking into radio/scanners that anyone could have gotten back in the 1970s from Radio Shack.  Why didn't we pursue a REGULAR POLICE SCANNER angle?  And of course, Trubuco posted a list of very convincing evidence that the EAR was most likely a cop.  A lot of us could not accept that the EAR might be a cop.  The betrayal is too deep to acknowledge.

 Here's an observation made by a poster who just joined this board a week before the arrest, and beneath it is an excerpt I took from HAP:

Feb 14, 2018 at 9:57am findgsk, Captain, and 2 more like this
Post by tede on Feb 14, 2018 at 9:57am

this is from redditor lisbethborden on the earons reddit page - so credit to him/her. I also refined the audio in Audition a little bit l and I can now hear it clear as day, but you can hear it even without messing with the audio.

"Pardon me for being somewhat new to the case, as this may have been discussed before ad nauseam... I know the TV movie in the background of the "Gonna kill you" call has been identified, but does anyone else hear the sound of two-way radio (like police or paramedics etc use)? It starts at the 42-43 second mark, there are clicks, static, then at 45 seconds, sounds like a male voice on that radio says 'okay...allllright...' or somesuch. It sounds separate from the movie dialogue. Was it part of the movie?

As I said, I'm pretty new here, but I've never seen it mentioned. Anyone else hear it? To me it was unmistakably a police radio, but what do I know?"

The problem with this is that walkie talkies or scanners were extremely popular back then and didn't really require for the person to be in the military or being police. I even had one as a kid, it was a fun way of communicating and that was a time when cell phones were in existence. I can't imagine how valuable walkie talkies would have been in the 70's when people didn't really have much in the way of communicating outside their house phone. Also, people have been digesting the background sounds of that video for years and years until a few years ago they finally found were they come from. I don't think the police had that much time to analyze the background audio as much as thousands of determined sleuths could for years.

The other problem is that we have no evidence the EAR knew where the police would be. Aside from the scanner that didn't require him being a police at all. His job as a cop in Auburn wouldn't have given him any additional insight aside from basic police knowledge.

Attack #16
Pre-Attack Events
Early February, 1977

A house near the victim's was burglarized. The upstairs window was the point of entry. The police were called but no one responded to take a report. This same neighbor, in mid March, sees what she thinks is a police officer near the victim's house late at night

DeAngelo wasn't the only criminal in Sacramento burglarizing houses. Second, he's not that stupid to show in uniform because that'd be one of the quickest ways to nab his ass. Third, "she thinks", she's really not sure what she saw. Thus, you can give some credibility, but definitely not enough to raise an eyebrow because witness statements can be honestly damaging to a case a lot of times.

Immediate Aftermath
April 2nd, 1977 4:30 AM or 5:00 AM
(HAP: A neighbor sees a small foreign vehicle circling the block several times. This is in the time frame that the EAR leaves the victim's house.)
April 2nd, 1977 6:00 AM
A next-door neighbor looks outside of her window because her dog is barking. She sees a dark-colored vehicle (HAP: possibly brown or even purple), full-size, loud exhaust backing out of the victim's driveway. She didn't see the driver. I rarely offer commentary but this sighting is strange for a few reasons. For one, according to source material the police should've been here by now if the police were indeed called shortly after 5:00 AM. It's possible that the neighbor saw a police vehicle, but according to Shelby no police vehicle on the scene matched this description.

You forgot to add this part: "For another, later in the morning the bloodhound traces the EAR's trail to a location three blocks away so it takes some mental gymnastics to bring this sighting into the fold, however I'm not discounting what the witness saw or her description of events."

This wasn't EAR style to park his car right next to the victim's house. His style has always been to ride his bike or run to a location some miles down, get in the car and get the hell out of there. Thus I find it hard to believe the statements from that witness as they don't make much sense and they're, quite frankly, impossible given the bloodhound traces.



Guys, as much as it is easy to say now that him saying "Freeze!" or him holding the flashlight above his shoulder make him automatically a cop, there are far more likelier explanation than that. And even if we somehow believe there was something in that angle - a military guy, a person with a military background in the family, a security guy or even just an avid citizens who has read stories on police tactics would know those basic things. Aside from the dishes he really didn't do anything out of the ordinary here. 

Let's abandon what we know of the EAR now and roll back time to before he was caught. What was the EAR's profile? You have a 23-24 (average from all the victim's statements) guy, youngish looking, with hair to his shoulders, blond, 5-8 to 6'0. Very athletic, able to outrun most people on foot, a car on a bike and jump over high fences like they're nothing. That's his physical attributes. Personality wise, you have a person who is very immature in the way he talks (like some punk out of the street), immature in the way he acts, smart but very emotionally unstable - going over the handle constantly, talking to himself and having this brazenness of doing things, like he thinks he is untouchable. You also have a guy that constantly finds the time to stalk, prowl and commit those attacks that went on for hours extremely regularly.

Then you have his blunders. As good as he was, it's just impossible to deny that some of his attacks scream incompetence. In attack #3 he completely failed to subdue his victims. His attacks against the mother were extremely uneffective and not something a cop would have done to restrain a victim. In attack #13 he almost got shot due to a victim grabbing ahold of his gun and his carelessness. Again, a stupid thing for a cop would do. In attack #48 he got caught with his pants down and in the first ONS attack he lost complete control and the victims basically made a mockery out of him. In this attack he also wasn't methodical as he ruined his chances with the "i'll kill them" chant showing signs of extreme mental instability.

In the vast majority of his attacks the script went fine. He woke up the victims at the middle of the night, tied them up, put the dishes on the guy, raped the woman, ransacked the house and escaped. But whenever he was challenged he always looked like a deer stuck in the headlights, confused on what to do and how to react. Not really showing the skills of a cop (or even a military man) who could subdue his victims easily.

I still find it hard to believe that this guy had a wife, a job and still had enough time to stalk and drive on for hours to the locations of his attacks and then had the energy to spent another couple of hours at his victim's house or prowling somewhere around. That's just ridiculous to me.

Femto, I bet that's exactly how Sac LE thought back then!

As for myself, I am not LE, but if I were and if I had been working the case back then I would have followed ALL leads, regardless of what the guy's possible occupation may be.

If trabucco were on my team and presented the list he put together to me, I'd have said, "yah, yah , maybe-maybe, let's look at all the witness statements again and see if there are other clues that point to COP, as it may very well be why he always knows where we are, when when we aee about to arrive, where we are staking out."

Hmmmmmm..... look hear....

Police car seen pulling out of victims driveway,

Man in blue uniform seen in victims back yard, looked like like either a policeman or security guard,

Victim heard police radio right outside her window a few minutes before detectives arrived,

Shiny, black, round tied boots,

Holster belt with gun,

Small flash lights,

State of California Special Officer, 7 pointed star badge found on side of house of one victim,

Knows names of occupants in houses he attacks (if cop, could run their plates),

Carried a baton (interesting?),

Let's take a break ....