Last time i read about zodiac a few months back his dna was sent off to a lab and thats that not heard anything else. Are any closer to knowing anything or will this case conclude with no real main suspect?
I've not seen an update either. I think atm, the labs are unindated with new DNA requests, hence it will take some time. I certainly hope an update, when it comes, gets posted here. This will be another huge closure, if it comes!
Here is a bit from an articlewritten May 3rd, 2018, I found regarding submitting DNA
The Vallejo Police Department sent envelopes that accompanied the notorious letters to a lab for an advanced DNA analysis......
The hope ...... is to obtain a full DNA profile from the killer's saliva from stamps and the letter flaps. Then, it would be used to compile a family tree from an open-source database.
"If we get a good profile, then you start tracking back....... It really comes down to DNA. Without it, you have nothing. It's a 50-years-old case."
Due to mishandling of evidence before the days of DNA testing, much of the samples were compromised. It's unclear whether a complete-enough sample can be pulled for use on a genealogy website. .......they should get results back in several weeks.
..........it's possible the suspect used someone else to lick the envelope or stamp, but a complete DNA profile could point them in the right direction.
He said the items were sent for testing a few months before investigators announced the arrest of Joseph James DeAngelo,
So, as you can see, authorities are not ready to report on the findings. It's very possible they are tracing the person who licked the envelope, which means they still have a (long) ways before Id'ing Zodiac. The other possibility is, that the envelope was sealed via a sponge & water hence no saliva was found.
They don't have a viable DNA sample. Let me clarify: The DNA from 2002 was taken from the top of the stamp and some people have a hard time understanding why DNA would have been collected outside and not underneath. There wasn't [enough] underneath to pull even a partial profile. The outside of the Zodiac stamp is just as much evidence as the inside. ... She tested all of the evidence inside and out and that's what she should've done. And it just turns out that the only DNA she could get was only a partial profile [and] just happened to be from the outside of the stamp.........
I think that once Zodiac dropped that letter in the mailbox, not more than ten or 15 people would've touched it over time until it was determined to be evidence and sealed properly. So, there's a one-in-ten or one-in-fifteen chance that that DNA could be the Zodiac's,
The above was published May 8th, so, again, timing is off. He expected results within about a month.
Keep in mind there has been an onslaught of DNA submissions since GSK and there are only so many labs. Back when DNA was being submitted for my grams cold case we were told that there is a 3 month turn around (ok, these weren't the genealogy dna submissions, but, it does provide a time line). Very rarely did we see that 3 month turnaround met. Not sure why they expected results within a month, other than the submissions had been made before May and hence there was a month left on their expected timeline.
A quick search does not indicate any new / follow-up info re Zodiac DNA submission. Patience is the name of the game in Cold Cases. Horrible. Hard. Way of life.
I just found something else about the case, on top of the other stuff I found besides when I found the pictures in all correspondence zodiac sent, and more stuff I have not mentioned yet.
I was just on Tom Voight's site, and was checking out his Riverside case info regarding the old store down a dark alley on Magnolia St. that he is likely correct about that it was mentioned by Z in the 1967 Confession letter. He said the Timex watch with the white paint and broken band could have been from England. I believe that a military brat or someone like that could have brought it to the states. My eyes bugged out when I realized Z said to Cheri Jo:
"It's about time' She said 'Time for what?" "Time for you to die",
and thatTom V. states on his website that Riverside investigators determined the watch was ripped from the assailant during the struggle, and I say no Riverside investigators!
Because the Timex watch was stopped before the murder and-
he had probably wanted to wait until what ever time was on the stopped watch 9:07 p.m. so he could drop the watch on the ground that he stole from someone in England and pretended to search around after the murder to make it look like he was missing his watch when it was not his.
He just planted someone else's watch at the crime scene. Zodiac knew the library closed at 9:00 but he hung out with Cheri Jo and tried to help her with her Beetle he disabled. He wanted investigators to think she was attacked at a different time to create confusion. England sold a 1961 Ford Zodiac automobile too. That's probably how he gave himself a name. He stole the logo off a car, and a watch(Seawolf model).
Also, I found this stuff long time ago but havent mentioned till now: The Most Dangerous Game is a book by Gavin Lyall an author of espionage books in England. It features a gun on the cover, and a knife.
The Gun is a Fabrique Nationale 9 mm luger is the caliber. Brian Hartnell said it may have been 45 caliber but I know California people arent too familiar with guns. The 9 mm. Luger has a blunt nose which resembles a .45 slug at a glance.
The knife is a British Sykes Fairburne combat knife which is like the size of the knife that stabbed Cecilia Sheppard at lake Berryessa. The Brian Hartnell description of Zodiac was a knife with a sheath with brass tacks in a row along the margin of the sheath. The FN Hi power came standard with a leather holster held together with brass tackhead fasteners. I think he made a knife sheath to match the holster for his gun because they are both on the cover of Gavin Lyall's book printed in 1964. Robert Graysmith sketched a line drawing of Zodiac at the lake (Berryessa), and the gun looks very much like an FN Hi-Power which was imported and not subject to the gun control act of 1968 and thus untraceable.
I didn't mention this yet because I presumed I could explain it on talk shows after I found the cartoons in the ciphers and letters and the Scorpion letters and Zodiac's name between the cipher characters when you view the 340 cipher upside-down, and the Yellow Book, and The Murder of Bob Crane. I just don't know why anybody isnt talking about these things I have found many years ago.
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