David Knobling and Robin Edwards (UPDATE: SOLVED! See pg 20)

[dreamportal]

I’m also slightly biased to what I think in this case based on what I believe with my own family…I reached out to Bill and the FBI several years ago when I was about 22,23 about how I suspected my father was involved in the cases, in what was probably very frantic rambling long messages(feel slightly bad about it years later, the long rambling messages I sent Bill) I expressed what I thought and was happy with that. Thinking about it now years later I’m nearly 28 now I think I didn’t understand that I was going off of a gut feeling and had no real evidence to provide which is what LE looks for in cold cases. But still years later having been out of the house for 4,5 years I haven’t changed my opinion on what I think, though it may seem extremely unlikely to many people…makes me somewhat unpopular in my family based on what they know I believe. But the only thing I can go back to that resembles any evidence is, while confronting my dad years ago on what I suspected him to be involved in unsolved murders he told me to quote “stay away from that” and asked quote “where do you want to see our family in 10 years” remarks that still I remember…when being confronted with being involved in murders that’s not something you’d expect an innocent person to say. Could it be other murders not the CPM that’s also crossed my mind but I doubt it. also could be nothing but I remember being a kid and him telling me off hand, you know diesal gas doesn’t burn. Could it mean nothing. Yes. Could it refer to other murders or other wrongdoings yes. But I still have followed the case throughout these years and am waiting for all suspects to be identified through DNA. For reference he is still living and is a teacher and football coach for high school age. Partly why I was so adamant about bringing my suspicions to light I feel it would be a real shock and be very noteworthy for society to discover if this ends up being true….I don’t want to take away from any of the real investigation that is going on or say that I need people to believe me, but I feel from time to time compelled to share what I think about my dad because I feel so strongly about it. Also why I follow the case, waiting for a resolution

[kjfit]

This is ridiculous!



www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/wilmer-case-dna-issues-january-25-2024

[billthom56]

I hope the FBI and the Virginia State Police are working the Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. Connections hard. We have no way of knowing, of course. They have gone back to radio silence.


Bill

[lesliemoore01]

Jan 30, 2024 3:57:24 GMT billthom56 said:

I hope the FBI and the Virginia State Police are working the Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. Connections hard. We have no way of knowing, of course. They have gone back to radio silence.


Bill

That makes me so sad... makes me what to reach out to the local FBI and ask them if they have a heart? What would they do if it was their loved one. So so frustrating!!!

[tbonesteak]

Jan 31, 2024 3:56:08 GMT lesliemoore01 said:

Jan 30, 2024 3:57:24 GMT billthom56 said:

I hope the FBI and the Virginia State Police are working the Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. Connections hard. We have no way of knowing, of course. They have gone back to radio silence.


Bill

That makes me so sad... makes me what to reach out to the local FBI and ask them if they have a heart? What would they do if it was their loved one. So so frustrating!!!

Likewise. I can’t imagine how the families are coping. This seems especially cruel. 

[billthom56]

Check out this story:

www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates//291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49


Thanks.


Bill

[bodybybeignets]

It’s horrendous his DNA can’t (or won’t) be loaded into CODIS. I feel like I read that there might be a Virginia law that blocks this from happening. If so, can a letter-writing/email/telephone campaign to Virginia legislators help apply pressure to change this? I guess I should see if the second part of the news story (to be shown later) will address any of this…

[billthom56]

We are working on it. It may be a rule change.

Thanks.



Bill

[vivazapata]

CODIS is the aggregator of ALL the state and federal DNA databases so they can be cross-referenced. Each state sets what crimes qualify, they do vary. Here is a link to the bill and Va Code sections that cover it:

lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+CHAP0087&201+ful+CHAP0087

What crimes are included is not the most salient thing about the statute, it is this:

"The clerk of the court shall notify the Department of final disposition of the criminal proceedings. If the charge for which the sample was taken is dismissed or the defendant is acquitted at trial, the Department shall destroy the sample and all records thereof, provided there is no other pending qualifying warrant or capias for an arrest or conviction that would otherwise require that the sample remain in the data bank."

He was of course not arrested,charged or convicted. Presumption of innocence is part of due process.

It does raise some interesting legal questions as when you die,most of your rights die with you with some exceptions I will skip here.

However I think for practical purposes it is a non-starter. Constitutional issues, privacy issues,perception issues. I personally feel it sets a bad precedent and I am a guy who loves IGG but that is something done with private voluntary DNA submission unlike a government run database.

The good news is that coming from an insular community chances are he committed his crimes locally in the Tidewater area and they can match them manually which is what was done before CODIS came online.

[utahraptor]

Jan 30, 2024 3:57:24 GMT billthom56 said:

I hope the FBI and the Virginia State Police are working the Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. Connections hard. We have no way of knowing, of course. They have gone back to radio silence.


Bill

i beleive thta is a positive sign.  And they may hvae other hold back information too.

[vivazapata]

I wanted to post a link to this organization I ran across that appears to lobby for DNA changes on a # of fronts, including changing state law.


www.dnajusticeproject.org/

[tbonesteak]

Mar 25, 2021 17:00:12 GMT daedra said:

Also worth noting that I-64 leads directly to Richmond, where there was some Holy Alamo activity during the 80's/90's per Cleo's research. I wonder if the CPK had some connections to both Richmond and the Newport News/Hampton area. Maybe he lived in one location but frequently drove to the other for work. Or had a family member he visited regularly.  

His younger brother lived in Mechanicsville after getting married in 1983. And there is the unsolved murder of Theresa Lynn Baker whose body was found in a wooded area behind a house his brother once lived in. 

The Hanover County Sheriff’s Office is investigating a homicide that occurred on September 24, 1985. The victim, Theresa Lynn Baker, had recently moved to Chesterfield County from Pennsylvania with her two small children. Theresa was last seen around 2:30 a.m. at a restaurant called D’Angelo’s, which was located on Jefferson Davis Highway across from Johnny’s Bar. She had visited both establishments that evening, which were regularly visited by local factory workers. Theresa’s body was located in a wooded area of Mechanicsville, at the end of the Cherrydale subdivision, on February 8, 1986. Anyone with information in regards to this crime is urged to call Crime Stoppers at [phone] or Sgt. LaPlaga with the Hanover County Sheriff’s Office at [e-mail] or [phone].

[tbonesteak]

Oct 15, 2018 22:43:28 GMT cleopatra said:

Oct 4, 2018 13:04:19 GMT MJP said:

I've been reading through early articles regarding David and Robin's murders and will be posting information here.
...

I hadn't realised that Karl was the person who had found David's body on the beach.  What would be a heartbreaking moment in any circumstance for a parent must have been made immeasurably worse when considering the effect on David of having been in the water for three days.  I cannot imagine the impact of that on Karl and what that must have cost him over the years.

The bodies were found at ~1600 hrs but the police failed (didn't think?) to send someone to the Edwards home to notify the family of the discovery.  Mrs Edwards learned that her daughter had been found, murdered by a shot to the head, when she turned on her television at 1800 hrs to watch the local news.  Perhaps this is an unfair comment but it seems like the local police lacked the experience and basic organisational skills to manage murder investigations.




I read the mothers interview and it was horrible what she said happened. She didnt even know her son's body turned up. She was watching the news and they said two bodies washed up on the beach, then it showed David's half naked body lying there with tree twines all around him and she just screamed.

Lord have mercy 

[tbonesteak]

Mar 26, 2019 22:42:01 GMT cleopatra said:

I honestly don't know what to think.  According to FBI Agent Meadow's, the couple was killed where they were found.  Local LE said the couple was thrown into the river at the James Bridge and washed up on the shore.

I researched various factors to try and figure out which account might be more likely.  I read that when dead bodies are thrown into a river at the same time and place it doesn't mean they will wash up at the same time and place.  When and where each body will turn up depends on the sizes, weights and what is inside the bodies (food, drugs, etc.).  David was six feet tall and Robin was very petite.  The chances that they'd have washed ashore at the same time and at the same place (50 feet apart) is highly unlikely, yet not impossible.  I also read that the direction the water flowed of the James River was downward, east, toward Virginia Beach, then outward and into the Atlantic Ocean.  That would mean that their bodies came from west of where they were found, from the James Bridge direction.  So if the local LE theory was right, they could have been thrown off the bridge.  Yet, for both to have both float together then end up right by each other, within 50 feet, on the same shore at the same time, isn't very likely.

There was another body found floating in the water just prior to when the couple was found.  No one knows how long that man was in the water, but he had been missing for two weeks.  His body didn't wash up on any shore, it was found floating in the  James River by rescue crews who were looking for David and Robin.  If he was in the water for two weeks and never washed ashore during the entire time, once again it's hard to believe David and Robin washed ashore within a few days.  Also, in a photo I came across, it showed Robin's body within bushes, on the other side of large branches and broken tree trunks. In other words, on one side of the bushes was the long shore and on the other side of the branches and bushes was Robin's body.   The bushes' roots were in the ground so they couldn't have washed up after Robin did.  If Robin's body washed ashore, I can't see it having gone OVER or AROUND those bushes to land where it did.  If the waves were carrying her body over the bushes, her body probably would have gotten stuck on top of the bushes, or the bushes would have prevented her body from going further and it would have been found right next to them on the shore side.

I could be wrong, but in my personal opinion, I believe what Agent Meadow's was going with - that the couple died where they lay.

Which brings me to wondering …..  was David and Robin made to walk there from the parking lot, or could they have been brought there on a boat and made to get out and run, then shot while running.  The water was behind them and they appeared to be heading inland when they were shot.  In fact, Robin was a little more inland, beyond the shore, past some bushes.   I've only just begun to speculate that they were brought there on a boat when I kept looking at East Island and how far it is from Ragged Island.  Then I thought about the dog tracks which followed Keith Call's and Sandra Hailey's paths toward shores and then 70 yards into the water.  Maybe the killer brought Keith and Sandra on a boat to a dissolute island as well.

So a man was found around the time as David and Robin, and man was found in the area LE was looking for Keith and Cassandra and a man was found when searching for Daniel and Annamaria..

[cleopatra]

Jan 14, 2024 16:33:55 GMT tosh said:

Jan 14, 2024 11:59:32 GMT kjfit said:

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Thank you for sharing that, it’s a very good piece.
Wilmer died in December 2017, just a few months after A Special Kind of Evil was released. Looking back in the press archives the authors were giving talks around Virginia as late as the end of November 2017 about the book. I hope Wilmer was getting hot under the collar and very nervous about the renewed attention in the cases.

I'm sure he was.