Trooper Johnny Bowman

[mustangman]

Nov 21, 2018 1:29:06 GMT trabuco said:

Nov 20, 2018 23:51:22 GMT cleopatra said:

I'd like to know if the quote about the killer being a black man came directly from Trooper Bowman's brother, Bobby, or if it second hand, or if it was over heard by a reporter while being related by Bobby to a detective?

What if Bobby actually said, it was a "Blackmon"?  As in Steve Blackmon or a relative of his.

In other words, when Bobby was being questioned while he was distraught and traumatized and then asked if he recognized the assailant or could describe him, he could have said, "He was a Blackmon".

The description of the suspect being a black man. That is how the Zodiac killer managed to escape after killing cab driver  Paul Stine in S.F.

Completely unrelated but just thought I would share it with you.

  Ok, I know this might get a few angry responses and I only say it because it has happen before... but sometimes people will say a "black man did it" or the suspect was "black" because they want to blame blacks or they want to steer LE away from the real suspect or their own involvement in the crime.  I only say this because Terri Bowman states that she was only a few feet away from the attack yet didn't see the killer, and the brother grappled with the killer yet got his skin color wrong, according to police finding evidence that the killer was white?  I find it hard to believe that Trooper Bowman wouldn't first turn on an interior light and the front porch light before opening the door?  If Terri Bowman said it was too dark to see the killer a few feet away, how did she see too find the phone only a few feet away from the attack?  I cant believe this all happened in complete darkness, I cant think of anyone opening their front door without turning on a light to a stranger ringing the doorbell over & over (especially at 4:15am & being a cop).  The article say's that "The Bowmans and the Worrells had been "friends for a very, very long time", so I assume the brother also knew the Worrells (at the least he had to have known who his brothers partner was) and if he did he would've definitely recognized the killer if it was Worrels, yet he says it was a black man & police say they are "99.4%" certain it was Worrell.  If it was my brother who had been stabbed laying on the ground dying, I would've chased the suspect for 100 miles on two broken legs!!  Why did the brother stop grappling with the killer? 

  I have to say that this is all speculation on my part from what I've read on this case, but haven't a lot of people been found guilty of crimes on less than "99.4%" guilt?   Also sadly we again see an LE officer being the prime suspect. 

EDIT:  My wife would've jumped on the attackers back yelling and screaming before calling the police & my brother would've not let him get away, but he too would've been yelling and screaming to attract attention from neighbors for additional help.   So did the neighbors say if they heard anyone screaming or yelling for help?  The Bowmans lived in a Townhouse and no one heard anything?

 

Quote from the article:

"Martin, a 30-year veteran of the force, has said he is "certain that [the] homicide will be solved in view of the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman." 

Really? "the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman".  this 30-year police veteran says "the fact".  Who did these people name as the suspect?

What we need to really focus on is can we link this to the CPK?

[cleopatra]

Nov 21, 2018 15:17:17 GMT mustangman said:

Nov 21, 2018 1:29:06 GMT trabuco said:

The description of the suspect being a black man. That is how the Zodiac killer managed to escape after killing cab driver  Paul Stine in S.F.

Completely unrelated but just thought I would share it with you.

  Ok, I know this might get a few angry responses and I only say it because it has happen before... but sometimes people will say a "black man did it" or the suspect was "black" because they want to blame blacks or they want to steer LE away from the real suspect or their own involvement in the crime.  I only say this because Terri Bowman states that she was only a few feet away from the attack yet didn't see the killer, and the brother grappled with the killer yet got his skin color wrong, according to police finding evidence that the killer was white?  I find it hard to believe that Trooper Bowman wouldn't first turn on an interior light and the front porch light before opening the door?  If Terri Bowman said it was too dark to see the killer a few feet away, how did she see too find the phone only a few feet away from the attack?  I cant believe this all happened in complete darkness, I cant think of anyone opening their front door without turning on a light to a stranger ringing the doorbell over & over (especially at 4:15am & being a cop).  The article say's that "The Bowmans and the Worrells had been "friends for a very, very long time", so I assume the brother also knew the Worrells (at the least he had to have known who his brothers partner was) and if he did he would've definitely recognized the killer if it was Worrels, yet he says it was a black man & police say they are "99.4%" certain it was Worrell.  If it was my brother who had been stabbed laying on the ground dying, I would've chased the suspect for 100 miles on two broken legs!!  Why did the brother stop grappling with the killer? 

  I have to say that this is all speculation on my part from what I've read on this case, but haven't a lot of people been found guilty of crimes on less than "99.4%" guilt?   Also sadly we again see an LE officer being the prime suspect. 

EDIT:  My wife would've jumped on the attackers back yelling and screaming before calling the police & my brother would've not let him get away, but he too would've been yelling and screaming to attract attention from neighbors for additional help.   So did the neighbors say if they heard anyone screaming or yelling for help?  The Bowmans lived in a Townhouse and no one heard anything?

 

Quote from the article:

"Martin, a 30-year veteran of the force, has said he is "certain that [the] homicide will be solved in view of the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman." 

Really? "the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman".  this 30-year police veteran says "the fact".  Who did these people name as the suspect?

What we need to really focus on is can we link this to the CPK?

mustangman,

Thank you for not holding back your thoughts in case it would anger people. 

I never get offended or angry whenever anything I post *es people off, or gets knocked down.  I welcome critique. I want things pointed out that I may have missed. I do not want to waste my time looking into something that doesn't matter.  No one really knows for certain what's correct and what is not, except for the CPK.

I've been researching different murders that have not been linked by LE to the CPK, but that I suspect could be his works.  With some of them, when the possibility lay below the 50% threshold, I move on fast.  While researching a crime that IMO develops a good chance of having been committed by the CPK, I dig deeper.  I am going back and forth between ALL of the CPK murders and similar murders.

I am on the fence with whether or not the CPK murdered Trooper Bowman.  IMO, there is a chance of it.  I'm going to be revisiting this one every now and then in case it was a CPK murder. 

My goal is to help unveil the murderer of Cathy, Becky, Keith, Sandra, David, Robin, Daniel and Annamaria.  I am 100% committed to helping solve the linked CPK murders.  When I look into other crimes it's only because I suspect they may yield clues to help solve the Colonial Parkway murders.

For anyone reading this before Friday -

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!

Another Thanksgiving missed by Cathy, Becky, Keith, Sandra, David, Robin, Daniel and Annamaria.  

Tonight, I'll be saying a special prayer for their souls, and for their families.

Cleo

[cleopatra]

RE:  TROOPERS & PATROL CARS

Less than a year before the murders of Michael Margaret, Donna Hall and Trooper Bowman, Henrico PD released 30 vehicles to 30 troopers for take-home patrol cars.  I don't know what the rules were for the take-home patrol cars.  For instance, were they only allowed to drive the vehicles to and from work, and not to the supermarket, friends house, other errands, etc.  I also don't know what other police station in Virginia had take-home patrol cars.  I'm sure Division 5 and other PDs had a car take-home policy.

What if Trooper Bowman ran into another trooper who was far from his jurisdictional patrol boundaries.  The Margaret-Hall murder occurred 1-2 days before Bowman's.  Could Bowman have bumped into another trooper, eg. "hi. I see you're patrol car is from Newsport, what brings you out here?"  That interaction may not have meant anything to Bowman, but if the trooper was the CPK and he just murdered Margaret and Hall, he may have been stewing over it non-stop, and finally decided the only way to end his anxiety would be to kill Bowman.

Just speculation, or course.

[mustangman]

Nov 21, 2018 22:35:37 GMT cleopatra said:

Nov 21, 2018 15:17:17 GMT mustangman said:

  Ok, I know this might get a few angry responses and I only say it because it has happen before... but sometimes people will say a "black man did it" or the suspect was "black" because they want to blame blacks or they want to steer LE away from the real suspect or their own involvement in the crime.  I only say this because Terri Bowman states that she was only a few feet away from the attack yet didn't see the killer, and the brother grappled with the killer yet got his skin color wrong, according to police finding evidence that the killer was white?  I find it hard to believe that Trooper Bowman wouldn't first turn on an interior light and the front porch light before opening the door?  If Terri Bowman said it was too dark to see the killer a few feet away, how did she see too find the phone only a few feet away from the attack?  I cant believe this all happened in complete darkness, I cant think of anyone opening their front door without turning on a light to a stranger ringing the doorbell over & over (especially at 4:15am & being a cop).  The article say's that "The Bowmans and the Worrells had been "friends for a very, very long time", so I assume the brother also knew the Worrells (at the least he had to have known who his brothers partner was) and if he did he would've definitely recognized the killer if it was Worrels, yet he says it was a black man & police say they are "99.4%" certain it was Worrell.  If it was my brother who had been stabbed laying on the ground dying, I would've chased the suspect for 100 miles on two broken legs!!  Why did the brother stop grappling with the killer? 

  I have to say that this is all speculation on my part from what I've read on this case, but haven't a lot of people been found guilty of crimes on less than "99.4%" guilt?   Also sadly we again see an LE officer being the prime suspect. 

EDIT:  My wife would've jumped on the attackers back yelling and screaming before calling the police & my brother would've not let him get away, but he too would've been yelling and screaming to attract attention from neighbors for additional help.   So did the neighbors say if they heard anyone screaming or yelling for help?  The Bowmans lived in a Townhouse and no one heard anything?

 

Quote from the article:

"Martin, a 30-year veteran of the force, has said he is "certain that [the] homicide will be solved in view of the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman." 

Really? "the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman".  this 30-year police veteran says "the fact".  Who did these people name as the suspect?

What we need to really focus on is can we link this to the CPK?

mustangman,

Thank you for not holding back your thoughts in case it would anger people. 

I never get offended or angry whenever anything I post *es people off, or gets knocked down.  I welcome critique. I want things pointed out that I may have missed. I do not want to waste my time looking into something that doesn't matter.  No one really knows for certain what's correct and what is not, except for the CPK.

I've been researching different murders that have not been linked by LE to the CPK, but that I suspect could be his works.  With some of them, when the possibility lay below the 50% threshold, I move on fast.  While researching a crime that IMO develops a good chance of having been committed by the CPK, I dig deeper.  I am going back and forth between ALL of the CPK murders and similar murders.

I am on the fence with whether or not the CPK murdered Trooper Bowman.  IMO, there is a chance of it.  I'm going to be revisiting this one every now and then in case it was a CPK murder. 

My goal is to help unveil the murderer of Cathy, Becky, Keith, Sandra, David, Robin, Daniel and Annamaria.  I am 100% committed to helping solve the linked CPK murders.  When I look into other crimes it's only because I suspect they may yield clues to help solve the Colonial Parkway murders.

For anyone reading this before Friday -

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!

Another Thanksgiving missed by Cathy, Becky, Keith, Sandra, David, Robin, Daniel and Annamaria.  

Tonight, I'll be saying a special prayer for their souls, and for their families.

Cleo

Hi Cleo, I wasn't correcting anything you said, I wanted to expand on the reason why the brother thought the killer was "black".  I guess along the way I had many questions that need answers about Trooper Bowman's killing.  Happy Thanksgiving to you & your family and to everyone else.

[cleopatra]

Nov 22, 2018 3:13:01 GMT mustangman said:

Nov 21, 2018 22:35:37 GMT cleopatra said:

mustangman,

Thank you for not holding back your thoughts in case it would anger people. 

I never get offended or angry whenever anything I post *es people off, or gets knocked down.  I welcome critique. I want things pointed out that I may have missed. I do not want to waste my time looking into something that doesn't matter.  No one really knows for certain what's correct and what is not, except for the CPK.

I've been researching different murders that have not been linked by LE to the CPK, but that I suspect could be his works.  With some of them, when the possibility lay below the 50% threshold, I move on fast.  While researching a crime that IMO develops a good chance of having been committed by the CPK, I dig deeper.  I am going back and forth between ALL of the CPK murders and similar murders.

I am on the fence with whether or not the CPK murdered Trooper Bowman.  IMO, there is a chance of it.  I'm going to be revisiting this one every now and then in case it was a CPK murder. 

My goal is to help unveil the murderer of Cathy, Becky, Keith, Sandra, David, Robin, Daniel and Annamaria.  I am 100% committed to helping solve the linked CPK murders.  When I look into other crimes it's only because I suspect they may yield clues to help solve the Colonial Parkway murders.

For anyone reading this before Friday -

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!

Another Thanksgiving missed by Cathy, Becky, Keith, Sandra, David, Robin, Daniel and Annamaria.  

Tonight, I'll be saying a special prayer for their souls, and for their families.

Cleo

Hi Cleo, I wasn't correcting anything you said, I wanted to expand on the reason why the brother thought the killer was "black".  I guess along the way I had many questions that need answers about Trooper Bowman's killing.  Happy Thanksgiving to you & your family and to everyone else.

Mustangman,

Maybe he did see "a Blackmon". 

Cleo

[trabuco]

Nov 21, 2018 15:17:17 GMT mustangman said:

Nov 21, 2018 1:29:06 GMT trabuco said:

The description of the suspect being a black man. That is how the Zodiac killer managed to escape after killing cab driver  Paul Stine in S.F.

Completely unrelated but just thought I would share it with you.

  Ok, I know this might get a few angry responses and I only say it because it has happen before... but sometimes people will say a "black man did it" or the suspect was "black" because they want to blame blacks or they want to steer LE away from the real suspect or their own involvement in the crime.  I only say this because Terri Bowman states that she was only a few feet away from the attack yet didn't see the killer, and the brother grappled with the killer yet got his skin color wrong, according to police finding evidence that the killer was white?  I find it hard to believe that Trooper Bowman wouldn't first turn on an interior light and the front porch light before opening the door?  If Terri Bowman said it was too dark to see the killer a few feet away, how did she see too find the phone only a few feet away from the attack?  I cant believe this all happened in complete darkness, I cant think of anyone opening their front door without turning on a light to a stranger ringing the doorbell over & over (especially at 4:15am & being a cop).  The article say's that "The Bowmans and the Worrells had been "friends for a very, very long time", so I assume the brother also knew the Worrells (at the least he had to have known who his brothers partner was) and if he did he would've definitely recognized the killer if it was Worrels, yet he says it was a black man & police say they are "99.4%" certain it was Worrell.  If it was my brother who had been stabbed laying on the ground dying, I would've chased the suspect for 100 miles on two broken legs!!  Why did the brother stop grappling with the killer? 

  I have to say that this is all speculation on my part from what I've read on this case, but haven't a lot of people been found guilty of crimes on less than "99.4%" guilt?   Also sadly we again see an LE officer being the prime suspect. 

EDIT:  My wife would've jumped on the attackers back yelling and screaming before calling the police & my brother would've not let him get away, but he too would've been yelling and screaming to attract attention from neighbors for additional help.   So did the neighbors say if they heard anyone screaming or yelling for help?  The Bowmans lived in a Townhouse and no one heard anything?

 

Quote from the article:

"Martin, a 30-year veteran of the force, has said he is "certain that [the] homicide will be solved in view of the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman." 

Really? "the fact that more than one person knows who killed Bowman".  this 30-year police veteran says "the fact".  Who did these people name as the suspect?

What we need to really focus on is can we link this to the CPK?

Very good sir! I think you put forth some good questions. Thinking outside the box. Questioning what we are expected to believe. We only know what we have been told. Going back to what poster 'Sacbeesting' said: 'One must be able to put away their sympathy and empathy to get at the truth.' 'When hunting a killer there is only one way to operate.' 'In cold-blood.'

I have a few questions.

What I know about Trooper Bowman and the details of the night he was murdered comes from what I have read and watched in videos about the murder.

It was said that Trooper Bowman had worked special detail or something to the effect the night he was murdered. He came home and was only going to get a few hours of sleep before he would have to get up and start his normal shift. 

If the wife knew he would only get a few hours of sleep then why didn't she go answer the door? 

Why didn't Trooper Bowman have a weapon with him when he answered the door?

I would think it would be difficult to get at a trained policeman the way the killer did. To me it seems that Trooper Bowman wasn't all there. Maybe he wasn't. I've read what the wife and brother said.  But as for the brother's wife, I haven't heard from her. I don't recall reading any comments from her. What does she recall? I'm not pointing a finger at the brother and wife. I'm just saying no stone can go unturned and any innocent person will understand that LE has to do their job and do it thoroughly to get at the truth.

My personal opinion is that when Trooper Bowman answered the door, his personal protection had already been compromised. Either he was rendered an easy mark or he was already dead and the attack was staged.

Did I hear that right? That Trooper Bowman's wife has since passed away?

 

[cleopatra]

Could Bowman not have been the target at all? Was there another Johnny Bowman living in the area. I wonder if his name was listed in the phone book.

Even if his brother was only there for a visit, could his brother have been followed there and have been the target? Maybe the killer was waiting for the brother to leave not knowing he was going to be sleeping over. The Killer may have been parked by the brother's car and when the brother never returned to it, the kilker decided to just go to the townhouse.
The killer may not have known the patrol car parked there belonged to a trooper who lived in that townhouse.

If that scenario is what hapoened, then Bowman's killer was not the CPK. So, I wonder if LE covered all this.

[brixelbracken]

Nov 20, 2018 5:02:03 GMT trabuco said:

Nov 19, 2018 10:35:30 GMT cleopatra said:

Three pictures and no smiles. Why? Is anything known about Bowman's youth, home life? Why he wanted to be a policeman?

No question is insignificant. A case stays cold as long as no one is asking questions.

"...he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't even seem to be livin'..."

[(AQ)]

I'm going to deviate a bit from the current discussion on Bowman to present something that hit me when reviewing some of the info on him.

I had the Johnny Bowman murder as Aug 20, 1984, 2 days after Margaret/Hall murders in Henrico of Aug 18 1984.however in one of the articles (I think the 2 year anniversary one where they name Worrell as a suspect, the date is listed as "before dawn Aug. 19, 1984."



So, I wanted to backtrack a bit and go over dates and events of Aug 1984. 

The murder of Bowman occurs just a wee bit over 24 hours from the Murder of Hall/Margaret.  Why?  

Why wait 24 hrs if you thought someone knew about your crime unless someone had informed you of such (which might account for the delay in the 2 crimes)?  Could it have been Worrell? Or, was it someone completely different? 

Aug 17, 1984 - Donna Hall & Michael Margaret Last seen @ approx 11:45pm leaving a social function to go camping
Aug 21, 1984 - their bodies were found outside their jeep in a wooded area behind the Kings Crossing apartments @ Gaskin & Westin (1000 block of Patterson Ave in Henrico VA).  Bodies were found by a man walking his dog.  The killings were listed as overkill
Aug 18, 1984 1-2am Saturday is considered the couples time of death by the M.E.


Aug 19, 1984 - approx 4 am (not Aug 20) is considered the time of Death of Trooper Johnny Bowman of Manassas.  He had supposedly not been home long having worked a long (late?) shift the night before.... Working a special assignment? (thought I had read this recently in a post ?)

Trooper Bowman had a regular assignment of highway duty and worked mostly on interstates 95 and 66.   Interstate 95 is a major highway that is only a few minutes drive from the Kings Crossing Apartments.   Bowmans home is a 1 hr 45 min drive from the KC Apts (right up highway 95)

Hall/Margaret bodies weren't found for 2 more days after Bowman's death, so if his death is related to them it would be because both Bowman & his murderer knew they saw each other (or at least so thought the murderer).

What shift was Bowman working that week?  Was he on a special assignment or just doing his regular route?  How often would he be down I95 in the area of Henrico?  (ie did he make a pass every 3 hours? more? less?)

There's something interesting about the death of Bowman being a full 24 hrs+ after hall/Margaret, IF they are related... it doesn't really make sense.  Yet, it is the 24 hr spread that caught my attention and got me to post this.)

Added: 

Perry L Worrell was a long time friend of Bowmans and was a trooper, like Bowman.  
What was his regular Patrol assignment?  Was he working Aug 18th (Hall/Margaret deaths)  ?  Was he working Aug 19th (Bowman murder) ?
Was he running the tow truck either of these days?   What was his typical territory?  (Dale City where he was hit 2 years later in an accident while towing is 45 mins from Manassas and 1 hr 45 ish from Henrico - seems like too huge a distance for incidents, however, not for tow & deliver jobs.

I thought I read that Worrell was a partner to Bowman.  True? 

[(AQ)]

Just noticed that Johnny R Bowman was wearing Adidas Shorts, T-shirt and sneakers when he was attacked.
He answered the door at 4am after having been home a short time (hours, I think) from work and had to return to work before long.

Who bothers to put shoes on to answer the front door? Was he dressed to go running before work? Did the person know he was an early riser?
(He could have stepped into the shoes w/out lacing, using them more as slippers, but, in August, it isn't that cold that you'd be thinking about warmth or being dressed fully @ 4 am.

[cleopatra]

Even if the CPK did not kill Trooper Bowman, I still believe he may have killed Michael Margaret and Donna Hall. 

[almagata]

Nov 25, 2018 1:06:16 GMT (AQ) said:

Just noticed that Johnny R Bowman was wearing Adidas Shorts, T-shirt and sneakers when he was attacked.
He answered the door at 4am after having been home a short time (hours, I think) from work and had to return to work before long.

Who bothers to put shoes on to answer the front door? Was he dressed to go running before work? Did the person know he was an early riser?
(He could have stepped into the shoes w/out lacing, using them more as slippers, but, in August, it isn't that cold that you'd be thinking about warmth or being dressed fully @ 4 am.

Good observation on the sneakers. 

[cleopatra]

Nov 24, 2018 20:51:21 GMT (AQ) said:

I'm going to deviate a bit from the current discussion on Bowman to present something that hit me when reviewing some of the info on him.

I had the Johnny Bowman murder as Aug 20, 1984, 2 days after Margaret/Hall murders in Henrico of Aug 18 1984.however in one of the articles (I think the 2 year anniversary one where they name Worrell as a suspect, the date is listed as "before dawn Aug. 19, 1984."



So, I wanted to backtrack a bit and go over dates and events of Aug 1984. 

The murder of Bowman occurs just a wee bit over 24 hours from the Murder of Hall/Margaret.  Why?  

Why wait 24 hrs if you thought someone knew about your crime unless someone had informed you of such (which might account for the delay in the 2 crimes)?  Could it have been Worrell? Or, was it someone completely different? 

Aug 17, 1984 - Donna Hall & Michael Margaret Last seen @ approx 11:45pm leaving a social function to go camping
Aug 21, 1984 - their bodies were found outside their jeep in a wooded area behind the Kings Crossing apartments @ Gaskin & Westin (1000 block of Patterson Ave in Henrico VA).  Bodies were found by a man walking his dog.  The killings were listed as overkill
Aug 18, 1984 1-2am Saturday is considered the couples time of death by the M.E.


Aug 19, 1984 - approx 4 am (not Aug 20) is considered the time of Death of Trooper Johnny Bowman of Manassas.  He had supposedly not been home long having worked a long (late?) shift the night before.... Working a special assignment? (thought I had read this recently in a post ?)

Trooper Bowman had a regular assignment of highway duty and worked mostly on interstates 95 and 66.   Interstate 95 is a major highway that is only a few minutes drive from the Kings Crossing Apartments.   Bowmans home is a 1 hr 45 min drive from the KC Apts (right up highway 95)

Hall/Margaret bodies weren't found for 2 more days after Bowman's death, so if his death is related to them it would be because both Bowman & his murderer knew they saw each other (or at least so thought the murderer).

What shift was Bowman working that week?  Was he on a special assignment or just doing his regular route?  How often would he be down I95 in the area of Henrico?  (ie did he make a pass every 3 hours? more? less?)

There's something interesting about the death of Bowman being a full 24 hrs+ after hall/Margaret, IF they are related... it doesn't really make sense.  Yet, it is the 24 hr spread that caught my attention and got me to post this.)

Added: 

Perry L Worrell was a long time friend of Bowmans and was a trooper, like Bowman.  
What was his regular Patrol assignment?  Was he working Aug 18th (Hall/Margaret deaths)  ?  Was he working Aug 19th (Bowman murder) ?
Was he running the tow truck either of these days?   What was his typical territory?  (Dale City where he was hit 2 years later in an accident while towing is 45 mins from Manassas and 1 hr 45 ish from Henrico - seems like too huge a distance for incidents, however, not for tow & deliver jobs.

I thought I read that Worrell was a partner to Bowman.  True? 

I'm going to have to go back and look through my notes, but if I am not mistaken didn't someone say Michael and Donna were going camping?  I also thought I read that it rained heavily on the days they were missing.  I doubt they were going camping.  It was also said they were going to a Grateful Dead concert and were going to do a big drug deal.    All that aside, I still believe the CPK killed them.  Despite that they MAY have been involved in a drug deal and despite that they ALLEGEDLY had a large sum of money on them.

No one ever SAW the money.  LE first said the suitcases in the jeep were empty. Later, someone said it had clothes.  How much money could these kid's have had that would fill a suitcase? And how much money could these two kids possibly have had that would have been worth killing for?  Had a gun? Take the money and run! Why bother with a sloppy double homicide and bring so much attention to one's theft?  Drug deal gone bad? What drug dealer is going to want to turn off possible future dealers or small time or big time buyers?  I do not believe for one second their murder was a robbery or a drug-deal gone bad.  I believe it was a crime of opportunity committed by the CPK, who just happened to be there and saw a chance to re-do or re-live the murders of Jeff Scott and Karen Noble.

[(AQ)]

Nov 25, 2018 10:48:02 GMT cleopatra said:

Nov 24, 2018 20:51:21 GMT (AQ) said:

I'm going to deviate a bit from the current discussion on Bowman to present something that hit me when reviewing some of the info on him.

I had the Johnny Bowman murder as Aug 20, 1984, 2 days after Margaret/Hall murders in Henrico of Aug 18 1984.however in one of the articles (I think the 2 year anniversary one where they name Worrell as a suspect, the date is listed as "before dawn Aug. 19, 1984."



So, I wanted to backtrack a bit and go over dates and events of Aug 1984. 

The murder of Bowman occurs just a wee bit over 24 hours from the Murder of Hall/Margaret.  Why?  

Why wait 24 hrs if you thought someone knew about your crime unless someone had informed you of such (which might account for the delay in the 2 crimes)?  Could it have been Worrell? Or, was it someone completely different? 

Aug 17, 1984 - Donna Hall & Michael Margaret Last seen @ approx 11:45pm leaving a social function to go camping
Aug 21, 1984 - their bodies were found outside their jeep in a wooded area behind the Kings Crossing apartments @ Gaskin & Westin (1000 block of Patterson Ave in Henrico VA).  Bodies were found by a man walking his dog.  The killings were listed as overkill
Aug 18, 1984 1-2am Saturday is considered the couples time of death by the M.E.


Aug 19, 1984 - approx 4 am (not Aug 20) is considered the time of Death of Trooper Johnny Bowman of Manassas.  He had supposedly not been home long having worked a long (late?) shift the night before.... Working a special assignment? (thought I had read this recently in a post ?)

Trooper Bowman had a regular assignment of highway duty and worked mostly on interstates 95 and 66.   Interstate 95 is a major highway that is only a few minutes drive from the Kings Crossing Apartments.   Bowmans home is a 1 hr 45 min drive from the KC Apts (right up highway 95)

Hall/Margaret bodies weren't found for 2 more days after Bowman's death, so if his death is related to them it would be because both Bowman & his murderer knew they saw each other (or at least so thought the murderer).

What shift was Bowman working that week?  Was he on a special assignment or just doing his regular route?  How often would he be down I95 in the area of Henrico?  (ie did he make a pass every 3 hours? more? less?)

There's something interesting about the death of Bowman being a full 24 hrs+ after hall/Margaret, IF they are related... it doesn't really make sense.  Yet, it is the 24 hr spread that caught my attention and got me to post this.)

Added: 

Perry L Worrell was a long time friend of Bowmans and was a trooper, like Bowman.  
What was his regular Patrol assignment?  Was he working Aug 18th (Hall/Margaret deaths)  ?  Was he working Aug 19th (Bowman murder) ?
Was he running the tow truck either of these days?   What was his typical territory?  (Dale City where he was hit 2 years later in an accident while towing is 45 mins from Manassas and 1 hr 45 ish from Henrico - seems like too huge a distance for incidents, however, not for tow & deliver jobs.

I thought I read that Worrell was a partner to Bowman.  True? 

I'm going to have to go back and look through my notes, but if I am not mistaken didn't someone say Michael and Donna were going camping?  I also thought I read that it rained heavily on the days they were missing.  I doubt they were going camping.  It was also said they were going to a Grateful Dead concert and were going to do a big drug deal.    All that aside, I still believe the CPK killed them.  Despite that they MAY have been involved in a drug deal and despite that they ALLEGEDLY had a large sum of money on them.

No one ever SAW the money.  LE first said the suitcases in the jeep were empty. Later, someone said it had clothes.  How much money could these kid's have had that would fill a suitcase? And how much money could these two kids possibly have had that would have been worth killing for?  Had a gun? Take the money and run! Why bother with a sloppy double homicide and bring so much attention to one's theft?  Drug deal gone bad? What drug dealer is going to want to turn off possible future dealers or small time or big time buyers?  I do not believe for one second their murder was a robbery or a drug-deal gone bad.  I believe it was a crime of opportunity committed by the CPK, who just happened to be there and saw a chance to re-do or re-live the murders of Jeff Scott and Karen Noble.

i'm still undecided about CPK being responsible or not.  There are a few drug implications re CPK in ASKOE yet very little if anything mentioned in any (all) of the news articles which usually come from LE or family.   There can be 2 reasons for that 1) LE is keeping this underwraps until they have something substantive 2) it isn't a big enough factor in the murders.  At this point nothing yet says it is from all that has been uncovered to date.  (That I've seen)

In the Hall/Margaret murders a little more plays into the drug aspect if one pays attention to the sites set up re those murders, however, again most is speculation.  What has been said is that both were into drugs, that (I think) Hall's dad was into drugs w/ an implication of dealing and that that is where some of their money (in the suitcase came from).  It is said Hall wanted to become a dealer yet it was Margaret that had the connections.   Friends of theirs knew about the suitcase of money and it is claimed that that is why they were leaving in the middle of the night.  Both had made plans re work to be gone.

As far as the camping that was, apparently, the cover story they used for leaving town and going to the Concert.   

While those stories are not in newspaper print they float heavily among the websites that are devoted to the crime.  Much like Bowman's case, there is apparently alot of information on Hall/Margaret that point in specific directions but cannot yet be proven enough to take to court.  

I say all this to state the drug aspect of Hall/Margaret isn't just a single rumor but somewhat the unofficial direction of the case- rightly or wrongly.   It has to be kept in consideration, imo, until more evidence points one way or the other.  Atm, I see it split.  Alot of circumstances are similar to the CPK's.

The CPK could have, as you state (bolded) found a crime of opportunity by interrupting what should have been a drug deal.  He could have taken the $$ to keep the drug deal gone bad aspect alive in the minds of investigators and others.  However, imo, you have to keep in mind that a lesser player in a drug deal or aware of such, could have been in dire need of the $$ and the killings were the only way they saw to make that happen.

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Nov 25, 2018 7:23:39 GMT almagata said:

Nov 25, 2018 1:06:16 GMT (AQ) said:

Just noticed that Johnny R Bowman was wearing Adidas Shorts, T-shirt and sneakers when he was attacked.
He answered the door at 4am after having been home a short time (hours, I think) from work and had to return to work before long.

Who bothers to put shoes on to answer the front door? Was he dressed to go running before work? Did the person know he was an early riser?
(He could have stepped into the shoes w/out lacing, using them more as slippers, but, in August, it isn't that cold that you'd be thinking about warmth or being dressed fully @ 4 am.

Good observation on the sneakers. 

Bowman:

  So sneakers on, dressed as tho he were going out for a jog.  Gets a visitor at 4 am who rings the doorbell persistently, as if something hurried or important was going down.  (or was he just trying to wake the household?)
Bowman answers at that hour w/ no gun in hand.   Was he expecting someone?  The wife didn't seem to be nor did the brother as both were coming from their respective rooms - wife from downstairs, brother & Bowman from upstairs. She may have even had phone in hand when she got up (ie didn't retrieve AFTER hearing the scuffle, but rather beforehand).

Was Bowman expecting someone and hence didn't gather up his gun before answering the door at 4 am or was he more intent on stopping the ringing that he didn't think about the gun?   Not especially a likely scenario for a cop- to not be prepared. 

Also, turning the entry way light on (foyer light)... gives the visitor a good/better view of the inside, whereas if he kept the light off, he (Bowman) would have had a slight advantage over his visitor.

Suspect:

Planned the attack to occur at Bowmans home in the early morning hours where he could be fairly well assured that Bowman would be home.
Wasn't concerned about being captured by anyone in the house (figuring only wife & daughter?) 
He came and went on foot.   Was car staged across street beyond the parking lot where he fled?
Had on disguises - wig, non prescription glasses, hard hat.
Left them at scene so he wouldn't be seen coming & going as the same person
Used a small (ish) knife- assumed to be a folding 4 inch blade

Not planned
Called out "Energy company" when rang doorbell.    ? At 4 am ?
Left disguises at scene   ? Hence left DNA (hair w/in wig)
Bloodied footprints traced his escape route to parking lot across street ... ? and into car ?  - Footprints are great evidence- would give shoe size & type
Didn't know visitors would be there along with wife / child

Other info
A gun would have been quicker and cleaner.  Even if multiple rounds were fired.  A gun, however, would have left casings unless it were a revolver
A knife is upclose and personal.  Maybe that wasn't the killers issue, and he was thinking of evidence(casings) however, he was in a fury to stab Bowman 42 times.  They say the whole incident was 3 minutes.
The stabbings in his back were grouped together (because of Bowmans fetal position?) .. He didn't bother turning Bowman over to continue stabbing him in more vital places- so at this point, it would be more about rage & having him bleed out 
vs ensuring his death by going after more vital organs.

Other than energy company there seemed to be no words spoken (or at least released by LE)
Neither brother nor wife tried to fight suspect off nor did they go for a weapon of their own- gun or knife.

Were there any cameras on that parking lot that may have shown a person and/or car coming & going?
What did neighbors see?