CPK's Motive

[cleopatra]

These thoughts keep coming back to me as I research these cases.

I do not believe the murders of Cathy & Becky was a gay hate crime.  There were no other similar murders of gay couples at that time in the area.  Hate murderers usually make it clear to the public why they killed, to create fear and humiliation to everyone  belonging to the same class. The killer may not have even known the couple were two women.  Cathy was so much taller than Becky.  In a parking lot (because I believe they were abducted when they returned to the car) late at night, they could have been mistaken for a male and female.

I believe the LE linked CPMs are all the work of the same madman.  They were all pairs, travelling in a car together with no other passengers. They were all abducted late at night at PLACE #1, killed at PLACE #2, cars left at PLACE #3.  Those are three important facts.  Murder #1 was still a learning stage. When destroying the crime scene and disposing of the car failed, and he saw how LE scavenged through that car, found hair between Cathy's fingers and tried to figure out WHYS AND HOWS, he altered his future crimes.  He separated the victims from their vehicles.  He left the vehicles in places they'd be found right away, then towed.  However, I still wonder about that. Who determined the vehicles should have been towed right away, without first placing a 5 day warning notice?

Here is my most difficult thoughts:

What the hell was this madman doing and why?  The only motives I see are - COMPLETE CONTROL, TERRORIZE, END LIFE, WATCH DIE.

Yet, there has to be more to these murders.  Otherwise, the CPK could have done all that in one spot.  It would have been easier, quicker, less risky. Shoot and run. Stab and run.  He could have just killed one person who was alone, then another person later.  Yet, he chose pairs/couples. He chose TWO people who were together, out late, and in a vehicle.  

I believe the CPK killed the Bluefield couple in 1978 and the Henrico couple in 1984.  The Bluefield couple may have been abducted from a movie theater, PLACE #1. Killed at PLACE #2, then their bodies and truck found at PLACE #3.  The Henrico couple was last seen alive at a small get together at 11:30 PM.  After leaving, the couple may have stopped at a store or fast food restaurant (Cathy Thomas and David Knobling both had undigested food in their stomachs) where they may have been abducted PLACE #1, then brought to the location where they were found, which might have been meant to be PLACE #2, but things went awry when the male put up quite a fight. The couple was then found there, PLACE #2&3.  After those murders, he fine-tuned his fantasy.

Now add other odd details - females not wearing their shoes, clothes folded neatly and left in vehicles. Purses and wallets containing money, untouched.  Keys in ignitions or on front seats and doors left open. I'm fairly sure the vehicles were left to be found and towed.  Clothes? Folded? Maybe out of habit/compulsive behavior or soldier or sailor training? Sandra's and Annamaria's purses were left but wallets taken. Maybe so someone can assume their identities?  I wonder if there are any Annamaria Phelps' or Cassandra Hailey's out there somewhere, with their birth dates, in another state?

The whole scenario of the murders is so puzzling? The guy must have fantasized the entire scenario for a long time, while forming a plan.  If the CPK committed the Bluefield murders, it may not have been planned. He may have been around the male victim's age, 20.  There may have been something about the male or female or both as a couple, or another couple who this couple represented in his mind , that upset him.  Jealousy?  Maybe he liked Karen Noble?  Maybe they represented something he couldn't have - a strong, happy relationship between an intelligent, athletic, good-looking, college male and a pretty girl. Maybe a girl he liked either left him for, or didn't notice him because she liked a guy who was just like all the male victims.  Could the killer have thought that by being a MAN IN UNIFORM in law enforcement, women would notice him and consider him a tough guy, despite not being athletic?  So he went into law enforcement, but nothing changed? Women still preferred another guy?

Maybe Trabuco's theory could be it - maybe the guy got raped while serving in the military.  If he murdered the Bluefield couple in 1978, he could have enlisted right after that.  If he were assaulted while serving, he could have been thinking about the Bluefield couple, the murder, wanting to re-do it and planning it the whole time.  Then, when he was on leave in 1984 (were there any Naval ships docked nearby at that time?), he could have murdered the Henrico couple, and when he got out 8 years later in 1986, began his murder sprees. And they all had to mimic the first one, the Bluefield murder, which is why bits and pieces of that crime turned up in all others. He couldn't re-do it EXACTLY, but he tried -  legal holiday, weekend, after 11:30 P.M., truck, couple, abduct from parking lot, take to another location in woods through long tree-lined dark road, by river, separate victims from vehicles, female's shoes removed, purse left behind, clothes neatly folded and left in vehicle, gunshot, douse victim and vehicle with fuel and light on fire..…. all part of the Bluefield murder.

?? ?

[englishman]

When researching the CPK murders, especially the locations, crime scenes, and timelines, one big part of his mindset jumps out at me he likes being elusive and the parkway allows him to do that, the majority of serial killers want to continue on but quite often their fragile ego's led them to make mistakes, because some of them to brag and goad the authorities. Is CPK careful, shy or does he not need the validation and attention other killers crave? Motivation wise in my opinion there is hatred involved but it's directed at people and society in general, which could stem from him feeling a sense of inadequacy in his life.

The more you look at the locations and routes taken by victims did he pick these areas because he liked the thrill of hunting, stalking and following people? One thing which might seem like a far-fetched thought there were a lot of horror slasher type films in the late 70s and throughout the 80s did he enjoy these kinds of films? The isolated forested roads fulfill the fantasy of being a modern-day bogeyman in an Urban myth, he must have enjoyed the fear this caused the community, college kids not wanting to visit the parkway.

Good point concerning the neatly folded clothes Cleo, it points out to me that his a structured and neat person. The shoes could mean a kind of foot fetish but he would of likely stolen or done something perverse with them, he might have made them take them off so they couldn't escape.

[cleopatra]

Dec 29, 2018 15:36:08 GMT englishman said:

When researching the CPK murders, especially the locations, crime scenes, and timelines, one big part of his mindset jumps out at me he likes being elusive and the parkway allows him to do that, the majority of serial killers want to continue on but quite often their fragile ego's led them to make mistakes, because some of them to brag and goad the authorities. Is CPK careful, shy or does he not need the validation and attention other killers crave? Motivation wise in my opinion there is hatred involved but it's directed at people and society in general, which could stem from him feeling a sense of inadequacy in his life.

The more you look at the locations and routes taken by victims did he pick these areas because not only because he liked the thrill of hunting, stalking and following people? One thing which might seem like a far-fetched thought there were a lot of horror slasher type films in the late 70s and throughout the 80s did he enjoy these kinds of films? The isolated forested roads fulfill the fantasy of being a modern-day bogeyman in an Urban myth, he must have enjoyed the fear this caused the community, college kids not wanting to visit the parkway.

Good point concerning the neatly folded clothes Cleo, it points out to me that his a structured and neat person. The shoes could mean a kind of foot fetish but he would of likely stolen or done something perverse with them, he might have made them take them off so they couldn't escape.

englishman,

"the thrill of hunting, stalking ... " 

Those are good theories. Especially about the hunting and stalking, and about the movies.

I see why FBI speculated the killer may be a hunter. They also have said "waterman".

Cleo

[cleopatra]

NO SEXUAL ASSAULTS

The CPK could have been an in the closet masculine gay man who resented the fact that the men victims could be out on dates and with their lovers in public, unshamefully, nor have to hide their relationships.

[englishman]

Jan 4, 2019 23:13:10 GMT cleopatra said:

NO SEXUAL ASSAULTS

The CPK could have been an in the closet masculine gay man who resented the fact that the men victims could be out on dates and with their lovers in public, unshamefully, nor have to hide their relationships.

If I remember correctly Brian Pettinger was found half-dressed and bounded up with rope, always struck me that there was a potential sadomasochist homosexual undertone to the murder, or someone did that to humiliate him.

[cleopatra]

Here are a few serial killers with a short explanation of how they chose their victims.  Some stalked their victims way in advance, yet those same ones who stalked victims also chose some randomly without stalking them first.  Some chose victims because they were jealous of what they had in their lives that the killer didn't have.  Ted Bundy was dumped by his fiancé when he was a young man.  Later in his life, when he got mad at a girlfriend he went out and found a woman who looked just like his fiancé that dumped him years earlier then raped, tortured and killed her.  Kemper hated his mother. When his mother made him angry, he would go out and find someone who acted like his mother then rape and kill her.

The serial killers who went uncaptured for many years were highly functional psychopaths, lived in nice houses, married, had children, were active in their communities, went to church regularly and some had worthy careers.  The very organized ones had patience and were able to go long periods between murders.  

I believe the CPK targeted his male victims. And the male victims had to be with a female.  All the male victims were Caucasian.  They were all 20 years old or close to 20.  They were all tall, 6 feet or more. They were athletic. They owned their vehicles. They still lived at home with their parents.  None of them were an only child.  They all had had siblings of whom they were close to.  They all had a lot of friends.  Their parents cared deeply for them and were protective of their well-beings. This showed when they were missing for merely a few hours and the parents immediately became concerned.  After which, the parents called the police, told their other children, and even went out to look for their sons themselves. 

There must be something about these young men, or who they represent, that enraged the CPK to the point where he wanted to do more to them than just kill them.  The CPK had to kill the young man AND his date. His male victims had to be terrorized, humiliated, made to cry, made to feel desperate and helpless.  The CPK had to have all the power and control, and the male victims had to see it and know it.  The CPK had to see his male victims suffer.  The CPK had to make the females watch as their dates/boyfriend were reduced to powerless, meek, scared, helpless boys.

I am beginning to think he stalked some of the male victims.  The CPK could have stalked a bunch of different 20 year old boys, not just those who he settled on and killed, prior to attacks. He could have been preparing for a Legal Holiday attack, a weekend night.   All the while, looking into potential victims - first off, finding 20 year old's who were 6 feet tall.  Then see - if they dated, had a girlfriend, played sports, lived at home or on his own or with room mates or with a girlfriend or if he was married, if he owned a car or drove his parents car, was a nerd or good looking and popular, where he worked or went to school, fit or overweight, etc...…  I do believe there is a good chance the CPK selected and stalked his male victims way in advance.  

This killer may have a compulsion issue or disorder. The crimes had to be exactly right. The target had to be exactly right. He had to fold the clothes, he couldn't just throw them in the vehicles. He had to park the cars, he couldn't just leave them anywhere or parked crooked, he had to park them. He couldn't abduct someone at 9 or 10, it had to be around midnight. It couldn't be on a Wednesday - it had to be a weekend night.   There had to be a female/date present, the male couldn't be alone or with another friend.  The victim's couldn't be Latin, Asian, Black, or any other race, he had to be white.  The male victim couldn't be short, had had to be tall. He couldn't be obese or unfit, he had to be athletic.  He couldn't be borrowing his parent's, grandparent's, uncle's or brother's car, he had to have his own car.  The females could not be wearing their shoes - their shoes had to be removed.  


Colin Ireland

A straight man, Ireland went to gay clubs and found men who were interested in BDSM — specifically those who wanted to be tied up. He thought this was the easiest way to overpower his victims.

Anders Breivik

Anders Breivik, the Norwegian who bombed a government building before opening fire at a summer camp, killing 77 people in 2011, targeted victims who had a “leftist” look. His motive was political, but even within the location (a liberal political party’s children’s camp) he selected the most liberal looking people. A youth present as his mass killing, Adrian Pracon, recalls how Breivik selected not to kill him because of his look, “I remember him pointing the gun at me for quite a long time before he took it down, turned and walked away.”

The BTK

Dennis Rader, The BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) Killer who terrorized Wichita for three decades, selected his victims carefully, stalking them for a period of time before killing them. He once sent a near-victim a note when he had stalked her home, intent on killing her when she came home from work — but she randomly choose not to that night, it read “Be glad you weren’t here. Because I was.” He chose victims based on his sexual fantasies — basically wandering around his everyday life until he “locked” in on someone (usually a few girls at a time) at which point they inevitably became his victims.

Rader explained how, in most of his cases, he chose and then stalked several people at a time -- referring to them as "projects" or "potential hits."

"If one didn't work out, I just moved to another one," Rader said.

Rader told the court he selected his victims as he played out fantasies. Asked what kinds of fantasies he was having, Rader said "sexual fantasies."

"If you've read much about serial killers, they go through what they call different phases. In the trolling stage, basically, you're looking for a victim at that time. You can be trolling for months or years, but once you lock in on a certain person, you become a stalker. There might be several of them, but you really hone in on one person. They basically become the ... victim. Or, at least that's what you want it to be," Rader said.

He told the judge he had prepared a "hit kit," equipment he used in the killings, as well as "hit clothes" that he wore and later got rid of.

Rader said he chose Shirley Vian, 26, at random and forced his way into her apartment with a .357-caliber Magnum handgun on March 17, 1977. Her children "got real upset," so Rader had her lock them in a bathroom before covering her head with a bag and strangling her.

In more than one case, Rader said he took Polaroid photos of his victims. After killing Marine Hedge in April 1985, Rader said, he stripped his victim, tied her up, took her to another location, then took photos depicting "different forms of bondage" before hiding her body in a ditch.

Robert Hansen

An experienced hunter, Robert Hansen would abduct women and then fly them to the Alaskan wilderness and release them so that he could “hunt” them. All his life Hansen had been rejected by women, he picked young, attractive women to be his victims because it was his opportunity for revenge. Sometimes after abducting and raping a woman, he would let her go if he was certain she wouldn’t turn him in to the police.

Richard Chase

Richard Chase was a serial killer who was convicted of killing six people. Afterwards he would drink their blood and eat parts of their body. A schizophrenic, Chase would try to enter homes at random, but would always leave if the door was locked. To him, a locked door meant the person inside did not want him there but an unlocked door was “an invitation.”

Ted Bundy

Bundy was motivated by the deep-rooted sense of rejection he had harboured since being dumped by his first girlfriend. "It was a slap in the face to Ted who was trying to become somebody special," Berry-Dee said. "He harboured a grudge."

Indeed it is claimed he even selected victims that were a "carbon copy" of his former flame, choosing to kidnap, beat, rape and mutilate young women who were in the 'prime of their lives' and looked strikingly similar to the brunette who broke his heart.

"If you were to put all his victims lined up together you would think they were all sisters," Berry-Dee pointed out.

As a young man, Bundy dated an "extremely attractive" girl with long dark hair who he thought would be his "arm candy for years to come", Berry-Dee said. But things went wrong when he was introduced to her wealthy parents.

Edmund Emil Kemper

On December 18, 1969, Kemper was released on parole from Atascadero.[23] Against the recommendations of psychiatrists at the hospital,[2] he was released into the care of Clarnell—who had remarried and taken the surname Strandberg, then divorced again—at 609 A Ord Street, Aptos, California, a short drive from where she worked as an administrative assistant at the University of California, Santa Cruz.[29] Kemper later demonstrated further to his psychiatrists that he was rehabilitated, and on November 29, 1972, his juvenile records were permanently expunged.[30] The last report from his probation psychiatrists read:

If I were to see this patient without having any history available or getting any history from him, I would think that we're dealing with a very well adjusted young man who had initiative, intelligence and who was free of any psychiatric illnesses ... It is my opinion that he has made a very excellent response to the years of treatment and rehabilitation and I would see no psychiatric reason to consider him to be of any danger to himself or to any member of society ... [and] since it may allow him more freedom as an adult to develop his potential, I would consider it reasonable to have a permanent expunction of his juvenile records.[

Kemper has stated in interviews that he would often go hunting for victims after his mother's outbursts towards him, and that she would not introduce him to women attending the university where she worked. He recalled: "She would say, 'You're just like your father. You don't deserve to get to know them'."[38] Psychiatrists, and Kemper himself, have espoused the belief that the young women were surrogates for his ultimate target, his mother, and that the humiliating acts he committed on his mother's corpse support this hypothesis.[39]

Jesse Pomeroy
Jesse must have suffered from some kind of familial mental illness, although despite some thorough investigations, none was found in his relatives. He was the product of a broken family, they said. Indeed, his parents were separated and when they'd been together, there had been plenty of physical and mental abuse. He was bullied, they concluded, which had caused him to be a bully and want to kill others. Perhaps he was jealous, they said, jealous of the children's beauty and loving homes.

[englishman]

Some good points, perhaps something happened to him in school he was bullied by some kids who might in looks be seen as a typical "jock" type athletic, clean cut, into cars etc. One subject which might be worth another thread is there any indicators that CPK escalated up to murder? Did he become a murderer overnight? Something must have happened along the way.

[cleopatra]

I believe this killer was a hunter, fisherman, and avid boat captain who was extremely familiar with the rivers in Virginia, particularly the James and York rivers, which actually meet at their south-east ends.  I'm thinking he may or may not be in law enforcement and whether or not he is, I believe he definitely has criminology knowledge. His crimes seem to indicate that he is familiar with evidence collection and the importance of the actual crime scene locations.  He has left hardly any evidence for investigators to work with.  He did not leave the bodies or vehicles at the murder sites, and he did not kill the victims inside their vehicles.  I don't think any of that was mere luck - that he happened to do things that would make solving his crimes difficult for investigators.

The water and bridges were important to him - or at least in respect to his crimes. His crime finales all ended at the foot of an overpass/bridge right over a major river or a creek that led to a major river.  I suspect he hid a motorboat or jet boat under those overpasses/bridges.  I suspect he lived and maybe still does live right next to a river and that his home had/has a private boat lodge. He probably owned/owns more than one boat.   

Nick who is in LE and was very active on the EAR board said that Joe Deangelo wasn't on his radar or anyone's radar, ever.  After Deangelo was arrested, Nick went to places Deangelo worked to interview ex-coworkers.  By mere chance, Nick actually came across a biker who was pulled over by the cop Deangelo. The biker said the same as everyone else.   Every single person who Nick talked to said the same things about Deangelo.  Deangelo was serious about his job as a cop, both in Exeter and Auburn.  Nothing about him stood out. Deangelo was not suspicious in any way shape or form to anyone.  There was nothing about him to make anyone think he was a serial rapist and murderer. 

Deangelo is a monster. He killed innocent young couples in their own bedrooms by bludgeoning them to death with his own hands, stabbing them or shooting  them in the head with a gun. He killed them after spending all night raping the female while her husband or boyfriend  was tied up with dishes stacked on his back in the next room and told the female would be killed instantly if any rattling sounds from the dishes were heard. In between rapes Deangelo ate his victim's foid in their kitchens. At the ceack of dawn Deangelo finally murdered the poor, helpless victims, splattering blood everywhere, then went home to change his babies diapers.  

Deangelo was a cop  His wife was an esteemed attornery.  He  lived in an upper-middle class neighborhood,  in a nice house. 

I believe the CPK is similar to Deangelo. Perhaps the CPK, if he didn't already have any,  began to have children in the 90's.  If he already had children in the eighties, it could explain the wide gaps between murders.    I believe the CPK is still alive and maybe even living right around the areas of his crimes.

I believe this psychopath, known now only as the Colonial Parkway Killer,  will be caught  ------ with or without DNA.  I just hope it happens soon.

[(AQ)]

Jan 10, 2019 15:22:35 GMT cleopatra said:

Here are a few serial killers with a short explanation of how they chose their victims.  Some stalked their victims way in advance, yet those same ones who stalked victims also chose some randomly without stalking them first.  Some chose victims because they were jealous of what they had in their lives that the killer didn't have.  Ted Bundy was dumped by his fiancé when he was a young man.  Later in his life, when he got mad at a girlfriend he went out and found a woman who looked just like his fiancé that dumped him years earlier then raped, tortured and killed her.  Kemper hated his mother. When his mother made him angry, he would go out and find someone who acted like his mother then rape and kill her.

The serial killers who went uncaptured for many years were highly functional psychopaths, lived in nice houses, married, had children, were active in their communities, went to church regularly and some had worthy careers.  The very organized ones had patience and were able to go long periods between murders.  

I believe the CPK targeted his male victims. And the male victims had to be with a female.  All the male victims were Caucasian.  They were all 20 years old or close to 20.  They were all tall, 6 feet or more. They were athletic. They owned their vehicles. They still lived at home with their parents.  None of them were an only child.  They all had had siblings of whom they were close to.  They all had a lot of friends.  Their parents cared deeply for them and were protective of their well-beings. This showed when they were missing for merely a few hours and the parents immediately became concerned.  After which, the parents called the police, told their other children, and even went out to look for their sons themselves. 
There must be something about these young men, or who they represent, that enraged the CPK to the point where he wanted to do more to them than just kill them.  The CPK had to kill the young man AND his date. His male victims had to be terrorized, humiliated, made to cry, made to feel desperate and helpless.  The CPK had to have all the power and control, and the male victims had to see it and know it.  The CPK had to see his male victims suffer.  The CPK had to make the females watch as their dates/boyfriend were reduced to powerless, meek, scared, helpless boys.

I am beginning to think he stalked some of the male victims.  The CPK could have stalked a bunch of different 20 year old boys, not just those who he settled on and killed, prior to attacks. He could have been preparing for a Legal Holiday attack, a weekend night.   All the while, looking into potential victims - first off, finding 20 year old's who were 6 feet tall.  Then see - if they dated, had a girlfriend, played sports, lived at home or on his own or with room mates or with a girlfriend or if he was married, if he owned a car or drove his parents car, was a nerd or good looking and popular, where he worked or went to school, fit or overweight, etc...…  I do believe there is a good chance the CPK selected and stalked his male victims way in advance.  

This killer may have a compulsion issue or disorder. The crimes had to be exactly right. The target had to be exactly right. He had to fold the clothes, he couldn't just throw them in the vehicles. He had to park the cars, he couldn't just leave them anywhere or parked crooked, he had to park them. He couldn't abduct someone at 9 or 10, it had to be around midnight. It couldn't be on a Wednesday - it had to be a weekend night.   There had to be a female/date present, the male couldn't be alone or with another friend.  The victim's couldn't be Latin, Asian, Black, or any other race, he had to be white.  The male victim couldn't be short, had had to be tall. He couldn't be obese or unfit, he had to be athletic.  He couldn't be borrowing his parent's, grandparent's, uncle's or brother's car, he had to have his own car.  The females could not be wearing their shoes - their shoes had to be removed.  


Colin Ireland

A straight man, Ireland went to gay clubs and found men who were interested in BDSM — specifically those who wanted to be tied up. He thought this was the easiest way to overpower his victims.

Anders Breivik

Anders Breivik, the Norwegian who bombed a government building before opening fire at a summer camp, killing 77 people in 2011, targeted victims who had a “leftist” look. His motive was political, but even within the location (a liberal political party’s children’s camp) he selected the most liberal looking people. A youth present as his mass killing, Adrian Pracon, recalls how Breivik selected not to kill him because of his look, “I remember him pointing the gun at me for quite a long time before he took it down, turned and walked away.”

The BTK

Dennis Rader, The BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) Killer who terrorized Wichita for three decades, selected his victims carefully, stalking them for a period of time before killing them. He once sent a near-victim a note when he had stalked her home, intent on killing her when she came home from work — but she randomly choose not to that night, it read “Be glad you weren’t here. Because I was.” He chose victims based on his sexual fantasies — basically wandering around his everyday life until he “locked” in on someone (usually a few girls at a time) at which point they inevitably became his victims.

Rader explained how, in most of his cases, he chose and then stalked several people at a time -- referring to them as "projects" or "potential hits."

"If one didn't work out, I just moved to another one," Rader said.

Rader told the court he selected his victims as he played out fantasies. Asked what kinds of fantasies he was having, Rader said "sexual fantasies."

"If you've read much about serial killers, they go through what they call different phases. In the trolling stage, basically, you're looking for a victim at that time. You can be trolling for months or years, but once you lock in on a certain person, you become a stalker. There might be several of them, but you really hone in on one person. They basically become the ... victim. Or, at least that's what you want it to be," Rader said.

He told the judge he had prepared a "hit kit," equipment he used in the killings, as well as "hit clothes" that he wore and later got rid of.

Rader said he chose Shirley Vian, 26, at random and forced his way into her apartment with a .357-caliber Magnum handgun on March 17, 1977. Her children "got real upset," so Rader had her lock them in a bathroom before covering her head with a bag and strangling her.

In more than one case, Rader said he took Polaroid photos of his victims. After killing Marine Hedge in April 1985, Rader said, he stripped his victim, tied her up, took her to another location, then took photos depicting "different forms of bondage" before hiding her body in a ditch.

Robert Hansen

An experienced hunter, Robert Hansen would abduct women and then fly them to the Alaskan wilderness and release them so that he could “hunt” them. All his life Hansen had been rejected by women, he picked young, attractive women to be his victims because it was his opportunity for revenge. Sometimes after abducting and raping a woman, he would let her go if he was certain she wouldn’t turn him in to the police.

Richard Chase

Richard Chase was a serial killer who was convicted of killing six people. Afterwards he would drink their blood and eat parts of their body. A schizophrenic, Chase would try to enter homes at random, but would always leave if the door was locked. To him, a locked door meant the person inside did not want him there but an unlocked door was “an invitation.”

Ted Bundy

Bundy was motivated by the deep-rooted sense of rejection he had harboured since being dumped by his first girlfriend. "It was a slap in the face to Ted who was trying to become somebody special," Berry-Dee said. "He harboured a grudge."

Indeed it is claimed he even selected victims that were a "carbon copy" of his former flame, choosing to kidnap, beat, rape and mutilate young women who were in the 'prime of their lives' and looked strikingly similar to the brunette who broke his heart.

"If you were to put all his victims lined up together you would think they were all sisters," Berry-Dee pointed out.

As a young man, Bundy dated an "extremely attractive" girl with long dark hair who he thought would be his "arm candy for years to come", Berry-Dee said. But things went wrong when he was introduced to her wealthy parents.

Edmund Emil Kemper

On December 18, 1969, Kemper was released on parole from Atascadero.[23] Against the recommendations of psychiatrists at the hospital,[2] he was released into the care of Clarnell—who had remarried and taken the surname Strandberg, then divorced again—at 609 A Ord Street, Aptos, California, a short drive from where she worked as an administrative assistant at the University of California, Santa Cruz.[29] Kemper later demonstrated further to his psychiatrists that he was rehabilitated, and on November 29, 1972, his juvenile records were permanently expunged.[30] The last report from his probation psychiatrists read:

If I were to see this patient without having any history available or getting any history from him, I would think that we're dealing with a very well adjusted young man who had initiative, intelligence and who was free of any psychiatric illnesses ... It is my opinion that he has made a very excellent response to the years of treatment and rehabilitation and I would see no psychiatric reason to consider him to be of any danger to himself or to any member of society ... [and] since it may allow him more freedom as an adult to develop his potential, I would consider it reasonable to have a permanent expunction of his juvenile records.[

Kemper has stated in interviews that he would often go hunting for victims after his mother's outbursts towards him, and that she would not introduce him to women attending the university where she worked. He recalled: "She would say, 'You're just like your father. You don't deserve to get to know them'."[38] Psychiatrists, and Kemper himself, have espoused the belief that the young women were surrogates for his ultimate target, his mother, and that the humiliating acts he committed on his mother's corpse support this hypothesis.[39]

Jesse Pomeroy
Jesse must have suffered from some kind of familial mental illness, although despite some thorough investigations, none was found in his relatives. He was the product of a broken family, they said. Indeed, his parents were separated and when they'd been together, there had been plenty of physical and mental abuse. He was bullied, they concluded, which had caused him to be a bully and want to kill others. Perhaps he was jealous, they said, jealous of the children's beauty and loving homes.

The above highlighted items all had me thinking that the POI may have had jealousy toward or a serious falling out with a sibling, male, that had many of the features you described and who possibly was favored by the parents. POI being the outcast and suspect(s) being the favored son who had everything he did not, including a good rapport with girls ie girlfriends as well as girls as friends which is represented in the victim pool.

Can't exactly say why I feel it's a familial gripe but that came as I read thru your description

[englishman]

Jan 11, 2019 3:01:01 GMT cleopatra said:

I believe this killer was a hunter, fisherman, and avid boat captain who was extremely familiar with the rivers in Virginia, particularly the James and York rivers, which actually meet at their south-east ends.  I'm thinking he may or may not be in law enforcement and whether or not he is, I believe he definitely has criminology knowledge. His crimes seem to indicate that he is familiar with evidence collection and the importance of the actual crime scene locations.  He has left hardly any evidence for investigators to work with.  He did not leave the bodies or vehicles at the murder sites, and he did not kill the victims inside their vehicles.  I don't think any of that was mere luck - that he happened to do things that would make solving his crimes difficult for investigators.

The water and bridges were important to him - or at least in respect to his crimes. His crime finales all ended at the foot of an overpass/bridge right over a major river or a creek that led to a major river.  I suspect he hid a motorboat or jet boat under those overpasses/bridges.  I suspect he lived and maybe still does live right next to a river and that his home had/has a private boat lodge. He probably owned/owns more than one boat.   

Nick who is in LE and was very active on the EAR board said that Joe Deangelo wasn't on his radar or anyone's radar, ever.  After Deangelo was arrested, Nick went to places Deangelo worked to interview ex-coworkers.  By mere chance, Nick actually came across a biker who was pulled over by the cop Deangelo. The biker said the same as everyone else.   Every single person who Nick talked to said the same things about Deangelo.  Deangelo was serious about his job as a cop, both in Exeter and Auburn.  Nothing about him stood out. Deangelo was not suspicious in any way shape or form to anyone.  There was nothing about him to make anyone think he was a serial rapist and murderer. 

Deangelo is a monster. He killed innocent young couples in their own bedrooms by bludgeoning them to death with his own hands, stabbing them or shooting  them in the head with a gun. He killed them after spending all night raping the female while her husband or boyfriend  was tied up with dishes stacked on his back in the next room and told the female would be killed instantly if any rattling sounds from the dishes were heard. In between rapes Deangelo ate his victim's foid in their kitchens. At the ceack of dawn Deangelo finally murdered the poor, helpless victims, splattering blood everywhere, then went home to change his babies diapers.  

Deangelo was a cop  His wife was an esteemed attornery.  He  lived in an upper-middle class neighborhood,  in a nice house. 

I believe the CPK is similar to Deangelo. Perhaps the CPK, if he didn't already have any,  began to have children in the 90's.  If he already had children in the eighties, it could explain the wide gaps between murders.    I believe the CPK is still alive and maybe even living right around the areas of his crimes.

I believe this psychopath, known now only as the Colonial Parkway Killer,  will be caught  ------ with or without DNA.  I just hope it happens soon.

That's it very often I find there is a myth built up around them being super intelligent, physically fit like an athlete with the stealth of a cat, in reality, there is absolutely nothing that is unique about them, nothing particularly interesting they are by most accounts remarkably plain and boring people.

They have oddities which come to surface if certain things are brought up, they will guard that to the bitter end, because they think they are perfect or when caught some of them love to tell the authorities and doctors what amazing people they are.

[mustangman]

Jan 12, 2019 20:34:54 GMT englishman said:

Jan 11, 2019 3:01:01 GMT cleopatra said:

I believe this killer was a hunter, fisherman, and avid boat captain who was extremely familiar with the rivers in Virginia, particularly the James and York rivers, which actually meet at their south-east ends.  I'm thinking he may or may not be in law enforcement and whether or not he is, I believe he definitely has criminology knowledge. His crimes seem to indicate that he is familiar with evidence collection and the importance of the actual crime scene locations.  He has left hardly any evidence for investigators to work with.  He did not leave the bodies or vehicles at the murder sites, and he did not kill the victims inside their vehicles.  I don't think any of that was mere luck - that he happened to do things that would make solving his crimes difficult for investigators.

The water and bridges were important to him - or at least in respect to his crimes. His crime finales all ended at the foot of an overpass/bridge right over a major river or a creek that led to a major river.  I suspect he hid a motorboat or jet boat under those overpasses/bridges.  I suspect he lived and maybe still does live right next to a river and that his home had/has a private boat lodge. He probably owned/owns more than one boat.   

Nick who is in LE and was very active on the EAR board said that Joe Deangelo wasn't on his radar or anyone's radar, ever.  After Deangelo was arrested, Nick went to places Deangelo worked to interview ex-coworkers.  By mere chance, Nick actually came across a biker who was pulled over by the cop Deangelo. The biker said the same as everyone else.   Every single person who Nick talked to said the same things about Deangelo.  Deangelo was serious about his job as a cop, both in Exeter and Auburn.  Nothing about him stood out. Deangelo was not suspicious in any way shape or form to anyone.  There was nothing about him to make anyone think he was a serial rapist and murderer. 

Deangelo is a monster. He killed innocent young couples in their own bedrooms by bludgeoning them to death with his own hands, stabbing them or shooting  them in the head with a gun. He killed them after spending all night raping the female while her husband or boyfriend  was tied up with dishes stacked on his back in the next room and told the female would be killed instantly if any rattling sounds from the dishes were heard. In between rapes Deangelo ate his victim's foid in their kitchens. At the ceack of dawn Deangelo finally murdered the poor, helpless victims, splattering blood everywhere, then went home to change his babies diapers.  

Deangelo was a cop  His wife was an esteemed attornery.  He  lived in an upper-middle class neighborhood,  in a nice house. 

I believe the CPK is similar to Deangelo. Perhaps the CPK, if he didn't already have any,  began to have children in the 90's.  If he already had children in the eighties, it could explain the wide gaps between murders.    I believe the CPK is still alive and maybe even living right around the areas of his crimes.

I believe this psychopath, known now only as the Colonial Parkway Killer,  will be caught  ------ with or without DNA.  I just hope it happens soon.

That's it very often I find there is a myth built up around them being super intelligent, physically fit like an athlete with the stealth of a cat, in reality, there is absolutely nothing that is unique about them, nothing particularly interesting they are by most accounts remarkably plain and boring people.

They have oddities which come to surface if certain things are brought up, they will guard that to the bitter end, because they think they are perfect or when caught some of them love to tell the authorities and doctors what amazing people they are.

Englishman, I agree after many years of profiling histories past and present serial killers the one thing that is most common among them is that they are Narcissist's.  They like to taunt LE with their superior intellect and when they are caught they never accept blame, it's always someone else's fault for why they became what they are. They will do whatever they can to convince others that they are always in the right.  They will try to control every situation to fit their narrative.  Being an extremely good Narcissist is what sets them apart from other killers, IMHO it's what propels them into becoming a serial killer.  In their eyes they can do no wrong.  

[englishman]

Jan 13, 2019 15:01:31 GMT mustangman said:

Jan 12, 2019 20:34:54 GMT englishman said:

That's it very often I find there is a myth built up around them being super intelligent, physically fit like an athlete with the stealth of a cat, in reality, there is absolutely nothing that is unique about them, nothing particularly interesting they are by most accounts remarkably plain and boring people.

They have oddities which come to surface if certain things are brought up, they will guard that to the bitter end, because they think they are perfect or when caught some of them love to tell the authorities and doctors what amazing people they are.

Englishman, I agree after many years of profiling histories past and present serial killers the one thing that is most common among them is that they are Narcissist's.  They like to taunt LE with their superior intellect and when they are caught they never accept blame, it's always someone else's fault for why they became what they are. They will do whatever they can to convince others that they are always in the right.  They will try to control every situation to fit their narrative.  Being an extremely good Narcissist is what sets them apart from other killers, IMHO it's what propels them into becoming a serial killer.  In their eyes they can do no wrong.  

One thing I always find when caught they either brag to anyone who wants to listen to them, often making a lot of things up so they can receive better treatment, or they retain control in their mind by refusing to talk, I find it difficult to understand the latter of those two, but think there is something which will make them speak.

I'm sure you have probably seen it but I watched the Arthur Shawcross interview the other day on Netflix, you can his eyes blinking about hundred Mph, telling tales of how he went on special black ops alone in the Vietnam war cutting people up with machetes, cannibalising victims when interrogating Viet Cong prisoners, when in reality he was a clerk at the regimental headquarters. When the interview brings up details that killed two children when he was younger, Shawcross really doesn't like it "I don't want to talk about back then" he snaps I'll give a lot of credit to the interviewer for that as it's great watching him feel uncomfortable, when he was bragging minutes earlier, you find he had a long lost daughter and grandchildren, but old Arthurs narcissism struggles to deal with the shame, that his not only a deadbeat bum who killed prostitutes and a defenseless mentally disabled girl but a pedophile who killed two young children, he proceeds to cut the interview when he realises it's not on his terms.

[cleopatra]

Jan 4, 2019 23:13:10 GMT cleopatra said:

NO SEXUAL ASSAULTS

The CPK could have been an in the closet masculine gay man who resented the fact that the men victims could be out on dates and with their lovers in public, unshamefully, nor have to hide their relationships.

If this theory was the CPK's motive, then perhaps Cathy and Becky were targeted for being gay. 

The CPL could have seen them being affectionate with each other.  It could have triggered the resentment he felt over being gay and not being able to go out and with another gay man in public.  Maybe he saw them at where they were eating hamburgers.   Or, he may have seen them by the William and Mary College and followed them.  He may have even known of them before hand and it was bugging him for a while, then stalked them.  Since boats and rivers may play a part in his crimes and Cathy sailed, he could have seen them at a boat dock somewhere and then began to stalk them.

I never knew this before, but when I was looking at the CPK Crime Map I saw two creeks right next to William and Mary College, and the Colonial Parkway runs right next to the College. There's a boat dock next to the W&M Police Department, which is part of the Virginia State Police.  One creek leads to the James river.  The other creek leads to the York river.

I read that Keith Call loved boats and water sports, and that he worked part-time at a boat place.  I also read that shortly before Keith was murdered he received a citation on the family boat for sailing under the influence.  I wonder who gave him that citation.  It must been a river patrolman.  I just recalled this particular detail now.  

[cleopatra]

David Knobling (20), Newport News VA

Michael Margaret (21), Henrico, WV





I'm looking into the backgrounds of all the male victims. One thing that stands out is that they all came from tight-knit families with siblings whom they were very close to. They all still lived at home with their parents, except for Jim Sherrin (Mechanicsville) and Brian Pettinger. All of their parents were very protective of all their children. The parents provided their sons with nice homes, good educations, made sure their sons participated in sports and other outdoor activities - football and basketball, water sports, hunting, fishing, camping, etc., When these boys went missing, their parents knew right away, first thing in the morning. After which they immediately told their other children, then called the police. They went out and searched for their sons.

The nights they were killed even showed the bonds they shared with their siblings.

- David watched a movie and ate pizza with his brother before leaving to get murdered.

- Keith went to his brother's house before his date to borrow some of his dress clothes.

- Michael's younger brother was waiting for him to be at a friend's college good-bye party as Michael lay dead in the woods.

- Daniel Lauer was moving in with his brother in Virginia Beach and he was driving his brother's finance to him.

I just found out that David Knobling and Michael Margaret were both adopted. I don't know if they were babies or young children when they were adopted. Nevertheless, they were loved and doted on as if they came from their adoptive mother's own wombs.

Could the CPK have been jealous of the family lives these boys had? The love and attention they got from their parents? Their close bonds with their siblings?  If the killer did stalk Keith, he would have known Mr. Call bought Keith his Toyota for a graduation present.  Could the CPK have known that Mr. Call drove past the turn about on CP every morning on his way to work, and wanted Mr. Call to see Keith's car?

[englishman]

Where did Keith Call's father work? There could be a common acquaintance between some of the victims, like a work colleague, who lives along the same the street as another victim.