Theory: Kevin Coe involved in Sarda Way or EAR Series?

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Jan 11, 2021 13:45:30 GMT kg said:

June 29, 1967 A Leavenworth connection:


Ten feet from Bates's body, investigators discovered a cheap, paint-spattered Timex brand wristwatch with a seven-inch circumference along with a footprint of a shoe produced by Leavenworth prisoners sold solely in military outlets. The shoe size was between eight and ten inches.[2] Although only 5 ft 3 in (1.60 m) in height, Bates had been an athletic girl. Both an examination of the crime scene and Bates's subsequent autopsy revealed ample evidence of a ferocious physical struggle between Bates and her murderer; she having evidently scratched her assailant's arms,[5] face and head and torn off his wristwatch.[n 1]

So was it Fred's dad Gordo's only trip to Leavenworth? Maybe he was there summer '66 too and brought home some brand new buy local shoes. Maybe.

So I am finally in possession of the answer to my question here.  The answer to my question is that yes, Frederick Harlan Coe's father did indeed spend time associated with his service duties at Ft. Leavenworth PRIOR to 1967.  This is found on his Record of Assignments from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, MO.  After waiting over 1.5 years for the fulfillment of my request I have documentation that states he was at Ft. Leavenworth on and around May 16, 1963 for a duration of 13 days.  This means that Gordon Coe was present in 1963 at Ft. Leavenworth where the shoe was produced that left behind prints at the crime scene where the murder of Cheri Jo Bates occurred.  While I was previously able to find him there in 1967 which postdated the Bates homicide, I now have proof he was there prior to the Bates incident.  Of course while the shoe worn during the Bates homicide could have been purchased at other military outlets it seems most certain these would have at least been on sale at Ft. Leavenworth by or before the date they would have been available anywhere else.  

Also of interest here is that Gordon Coe's 1967 visit to Ft. Leavenworth is not present on the records I received indicating that there may have been a lack of completeness in the service records.  These documents were quite obviously prepared before the computer age, they clearly appear to have been typed.   Therefore, this was not an oversight while preparing records to fulfill my request.  This brings up the possibility that other records are not included here, either by omission or another explanation is that they did not fall under the category of Record of Assignments.  Of particular interest to me would have been Gordon Coe's use of his military benefits when he was off duty to fly to other locations and take advantage of free meals and housing at bases for himself and his family. 

Also of interest in the records I did receive are visits to Reno, NV in 1969 and 1972 as his son at one point in time referred to that location as a place he himself had 'lived', which does not reconcile with anything else anywhere.

I am also supplying a link to the information above concerning Cheri Jo Bates:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cheri_Jo_Bates#:~:text=Both%20an%20examination%20of%20the,and%20torn%20off%20his%20wristwatch.

The above news clipping is from p. 19 of the Spokane Chronicle.

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Nov 23, 2021 14:17:03 GMT kg said:

"The man who told police that my car was brown was a negro about 40-45 rather shabbly dressed." - Zodiacciphers.com

"He carried around a copy of Buckley's Up From Liberalism with him, though he sometimes criticized the author's casual dress habits." - Son, by Jack Olsen

"Through him.......she did improve her dress habits." - Coe's testimony, Son, by Jack Olsen

"I gathered she had gone through periods of being less well dressed and suave..........". - Coe again, Son, by Jack Olsen

"Gooooooddddd Byyeeeeee." - Zodiacciphers.com

‘Fred would resurrect a spooky voice from his radio days and make them both laugh by saying, “The great Coe -- knows EVERYTHING”.’ - Fred Coe, Son, by Jack Olsen


What is the percentage of offenders who comment on the dress of others, who would take the time to do so right after they committed the crime, AND who like to trick their voices up for effect?  What is the percent?  Well, we have an example of two here, or is it only one?

And if you want to dismiss this please let me just also point out that this ‘negro’ wasn’t just shabbly dressed, he was ‘rather’ shabbly dressed!

Revisiting this post after some further thinking about the Zodiac and his 'rather shabbly dressed' comment.  Fred Coe regularly commented on the dress of others, even those he admired if they didn't meet his dress standards.  During his own trial he turned the topic to deficiencies in other person's dress.  Imagine that, you are on trial for rape and you make the conversation about someone else's dress habits.  

Ruth Coe and therefore by default her son as well, was heavy into Gone With the Wind.  The clear inspiration for Fred's radio personality name, Mark Mitchell (read Margaret Mitchell) and his Spokane Metro Growth moniker X. Drew Butler.  She liked to talk about the book, faked a southern accent, claimed she grew up in the south and talked about the 'darkies', and felt that even though it said Margaret Mitchell on the cover, she insisted, 'God in heaven wrote that book'.  The term negro comes up a lot in that book.  Negro was used through the 1800s into the late 1960s in America to denote someone of African American lineage and appears frequently throughout the book.  Another word that comes up in the book is shabby and shabbily.

"In other days, Scarlet would have been bitter about her shabby dresses......" 

"The bearded, shabby files swung down Peachtree street...."

"..the faded green square clashed with the moss-green dress and made her appear a little shabby."

"Behind them at a respectful distance, followed a large straggling crowd of neighbors and friends, shabbily dressed, silent."

"They were so much more attractive than the town swains who dressed so shabbily and were so serious and worked so hard that they had little time to play." - Gone With the Wind

I do believe that people as obsessed with Gone With the Wind such as Ruth Coe and by default her son, who themselves indulged in feelings of superiority and felt permission to regularly comment on people's dress habits, would indeed, like the Zodiac, mention that negro's dress deficiences whether or not he was a real or just a fictional character.

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Possible author of homework papers and punishment map has been identified.  Homework papers may be authored by one of two 16 y.o. boys that were in contact with a real estate worker who said, 'my long-range interest was in becoming a developer.'  There really isn't anything that doesn't fit together here.

Punishment, N and T, vs. second image 9th St Nth

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Based on eye witness reports in and around attack zones in the East Area and South Hill rape series is it possible to rule out theories involving connections between suspicious joggers and each of these respective series in order to negate the argument that these two series may themselves be connected.

Please note that secondary sources were drawn from for each of the following two accounts. That is these are both eye witness testimony from the area where a rape was subsequently committed. The first account is taken from EAR investigator Richard Shelby’s account of the witness report. The second account is taken from esteemed journalist Jack Olsen’s account of the witness testimony.

EAR ZONE - Possible connection to 04/02/77 EAR assault

Every neighborhood seems to have one person who always makes it their business to know who comes and goes. One of these was deep into weeding her flower beds when she glanced up. Peering through the weeds and flowers she could see a man wearing jogging clothes walking down her street. She watched as he crossed the street several times, stopping each time to stare at a house. One of those houses was Katie's. This man did not know he was being watched until he was in front of this witness's house. When he saw her he said, "Good evening," then headed straight down the street, turning north onto Bullion. Seconds later she heard tires peeling rubber and saw a light colored sedan, possibly bluish gray, leaving. This woman gardener described the man in jogging clothes as a WMA, 18-20 years old, about 5 ft. 10 inches, and 165 lbs. He was slender but well developed, and was average looking. He wore tennis shoes with several white stripes - similar to the Adidas brand. He wore a blue-gray, two -piece sweatsuit with a hood. She almost certainly got a good look at the face of the EAR. I don’t know if she ever made a composite or not.

SHR ZONE - Possible connection to the 12/29/79 signature linked SHR assault

Black Mounsey's upset mother Patsy had never stopped insisting that the incriminating December 29 rape - the one that had first brought her son to the attention of the Spokane PD - had been planned by the real South Hill rapist to incriminate her notorious son. The victim had stepped off a bus and walked three or four blocks before the rapist jumped her across the street from the Mounsey's - far too great a coincidence, Patsy Mounsey maintained, to be unplanned. Blake's upcoming trial for the Cheney rape had been widely publicized, he'd been the perfect rabbit to send the police galloping off in the wrong direction. She even insisted that she might have seen the real South Hill rapist herself - a young man with a squarish chin like Blake's, wearing gray sweatpants and a hooded yellowish top. The stranger had jogged slowly past the Mounsey house one icy morning and acted so interested that he'd turned and jogged past again. Police and journalists paid polite attention as Mrs. Mounsey tried to interest them in her theory. But the idea that the real South Hill rapist had deliberately tried to transfer his guilt to another man was just too far-fetched. Only a mother would believe a crazy story like that.


In each account there are reports of an individual wearing jogging attire, studying homes as he made his way down the street. In the case of the EAR series there were many reports of suspicious joggers. In the case of the SHR series, the identified perpetrator was documented to have received two speeding tickets on the dates on which two SHR rapes occurred. One ticket was issued on the same street where one of the rapes had occurred the same day the ticket was issued.

Original investigators appear to believe that in both the series, these specific reports of suspicious joggers are affiliated with the rapes that occurred. To date, it has not been ruled out that there may have been ancillary offenders in the EAR series. This jogger does not fit with what is known about Joseph Deangelo. There have been no stories that have come forward indicating that he was a jogger and at least one family member has testified that he never knew him to jog in spite of having spent a lot of time staying with Mr. Deangelo, sometimes for weeks at a time. It is known that the lone perpetrator in the SHR series did indeed use jogging as a ruse to stalk and locate potential victims.

Conclusion: As these events do not conflict in time and the MO is identical with regards to casing in areas proximate to subsequent sexual assaults, and since the suspicious individual is similarly attired in these reports, it is not possible to rule out a possible link between these assault series based on these eyewitness reports. A link can also not be ruled out based on timeline as the best testimony concerning the whereabouts of the person of interest here in 1977 is that he was in California at the time of the 04/02/1977 EAR assault and in Spokane at the time of the 12/29/1979 assault. Many parallels exist between EAR and SHR assaults which include oral copulation, personal questioning, profuse cooperation threats, threats to deter reporting of the incident to the police, multiple penetrations both vaginal and anal, crying, apologizing, masturbating on the part of the assailant, requests that the victim repeat vulgar phrases back to the assailant and vulgar phrases uttered by the assailant, compliments on the victim’s body, and in some instances multiple obscene phone calls and/or calls where the caller breathed into the line were made to victims before and/or after they were assaulted.

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In prison, Coe was asked by a fellow inmate how he got away with it.  To which Coe replied:

"You can't really ID someone who's wearing a ski mask." - Fred Coe, 06/18/84

SMH

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Revisiting the February, 1969 cold case of Terry Willmschen from Spokane this morning. The assailant brandished a gun and said, "Don't worry, I won't hurt your baby-give me your m-o-n-e-y."  Upon being offered money he declined it.

Pale, thin lips, around 6', 170 pounds, agile, squinty eyes, age descriptions all over the map.  Based on the composite I might add square jaw.

This incident occurred as the victim's sister appeared on the news having won $75 in contest. The clip was run multiple times. A couple of crank calls to the police deparment followed in the days after the incident. The composite was stated to be a close resemblance to the perpetrator by one witness, "If that's not him - well then it's his twin brother."



                     

[Jay7777]

Great post kg.

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May 26, 2023 14:37:04 GMT Jay7777 said:

Great post kg.

Thanks Jay.  And to all of that I would be within my rights to add that after working hard for nearly four years here I have a legit connection of my main man here to a handgun right around the time of the homicide in question.  Could have been a 0.38 which was the caliber of the gun that downed Terry Willmschen.  His brother became a law enforcement officer in Spokane and seems like he was a good one.  Would be great if they could close this case for him and the other victim  who is still alive.

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Infamous perpetrators of crimes who have described their own doings as 'baffling':

Perpetrator of Ray Davis homicide 4/11/62 Oceanside, CA:
'The killer of Ray Davis called the police in advance and warned them he would soon be committing a baffling crime. Soon after Davis was killed, the police received another call from the killer, this time threatening to target a random bus driver.'

Perpetrator of South Hill Rape spree 04/1978-03/1981 Spokane, WA:
'Two weeks later, totally out of nowhere, I became the Spokane Police Department's prime suspect in the baffling South Hill Rapist case. The framing, smearing, and railroading of an innocent man had begun.'

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Just revisiting here. I am told by a relative of Deangelo's that they do not believe the 'gonna kill you call' is Joe's voice.


B*tch, B*tch, B*tch,Whore.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNBLkTgoT4


And the SHR (a known to be phone breather as well) in action:
You dirty B*tch. You-whore. Dirty B*tch. Whore. You deserve this. You'll pay for this.

I just can't rule him out here, especially since his voice kind of resembles the voice in the Original Night Stalker call and he was a prolific dirty caller/breather. Oh, and he told plenty of people he was 'gonna kill you'. The likeness here is just too much! Had they been separated in time by ten years or had Coe never been a resident of CA, well then I wouldn't have lost so much time the past four years and counting!

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Offenders who fixate on punishment:

Fred Coe would intentionally frighten C.M. by talking to him about "kids being punished" in places like Alaska where they would be sent to fishing camps which were torture camps and the kids would go out fishing and giant squids would come and "bite off their 'peter" referring to the boy's penis. - Phenix report

June 26, 1970 Zodiac letter:

This is the Zodiac speaking.

I have become very upset with the people of San Fran Bay Area. They have not complied with my wishes for them to wear some nice ⌖ buttons. I promiced to punish them if they did not comply, by anilating a full School Buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way. I shot a man sitting in a parked car with a .38.

⌖-12

East Area Rapist and possible connection to the PUNISHMENT map.

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Mar 10, 2019 5:44:29 GMT walter said:

Mar 9, 2019 22:35:12 GMT cherylh said:

If the Wild West Thread had been created earlier, we might still have MurderInc and Saund the Punishment Map person among us. If they'd agreed to be limited to this thread.

I still wonder if the Punishment Map run was performance art.

Saund could still stick around - his thread was simply moved to the writings of the GSK.  He could easily have still kept posting in it but he decided that if he wasn't sitting in one of the main forums and getting attention he didn't care.  He wasn't banned - I think murderinc was because he became pretty hostile when people asked him how every single rape/murder he posted was linked to JJD.  Saund wasn't as aggressive so he didn't get banned.

And I agree that the punishment map thing was so bizzare and out there it might have been an act.  It made zero sense and Saund couldn't answer a single question about it.

Placed in a relevant context, even the most bizarre can acquire the necessary clarity to make itself sensical.

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Lover of classic films. Check!

The way to get him animated: Initiate a conversation about classic films or just wait for him to take the lead and do so himself.

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Oct 4, 2023 2:32:57 GMT kg said:

Offenders who fixate on punishment:

Fred Coe would intentionally frighten C.M. by talking to him about "kids being punished" in places like Alaska where they would be sent to fishing camps which were torture camps and the kids would go out fishing and giant squids would come and "bite off their 'peter" referring to the boy's penis. - Phenix report

June 26, 1970 Zodiac letter:

This is the Zodiac speaking.

I have become very upset with the people of San Fran Bay Area. They have not complied with my wishes for them to wear some nice ⌖ buttons. I promiced to punish them if they did not comply, by anilating a full School Buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way. I shot a man sitting in a parked car with a .38.

⌖-12

East Area Rapist and possible connection to the PUNISHMENT map.


Forgot to add a statement to a victim that Coe made during one of his rapes.  "Maybe God is punishing you for your sins." 

PUNISHMENT, a recurring theme for Fred Coe.  He inherited it from his mother:

"Gini Perham described Mr. Coe's relationship with his
mother as very volatile and said he would talk about her "vicious, vindictive
nature and her terrible unpredictable temper."

PUNISHMENT!!!!