JJD’s friends, coworkers, victims + LE speak

[walter]

Feb 25, 2019 20:03:30 GMT nick said:

The adding of a psychological test to those applying to be LE officers in California was one of those things that took time to take hold and become a part of every agency in the state. The way it came about was when POST (Peace Officers Standards and Training the state agency tasked with making sure every sworn officer met the same standards across the board and met the minimum standards as well) decided to make it a requirement because of some agencies in Southern Califonia had been requiring it on their own and it was becoming more popular. Larger agencies had more funding of course and could afford to implement the examination while smaller agencies had less money and resources and therefore they came over it slower than the large ones.

I can not speak for the Auburn PD situation I just wanted to put it out there as a common thing that was just taking hold in that time frame as a whole in the entire state. The lack of funds for smaller agencies could explain it as a coincident in regards to the timing of it being required for all new hires at Auburn PD and also when an officer laterals in from another agency into a smaller department the Chief could save money by not requiring it since they are already a working sworn Officer.

Hi Nick, thanks for the further info. Generally instituting something like that is a very slow moving process that requires an AWFUL lot of negotiations among many different jurisdictions and levels of individuals.  I am fairly certain it was in the works far before JJD's firing (and may have already existed and beenr equired before he was fired).

Trabuco - I took a look at that guy's old posts under the name of trickofthetail and it was pretty weird.  Still reading them but I keep getting lost in these 5-6 year old posts and theories back then.

[rgnnbld]

Request:

Looking for the audio of the people from Auburn who are speaking of when they used to build planes in JJDjr garage when he was a cop in Auburn. I read about this recently on this board but have never come across it. Thx.

[dogs]

Feb 25, 2019 19:52:55 GMT goldrusher said:

Feb 25, 2019 19:47:40 GMT trabuco said:

He disappeared from the board after the first FBI news conference on the 40th anniversary of the EAR investigation.

That was in 2016.

Have you ever went back and read KnR's posts?

KnR told me in a pm that before he was KnR he used the name Trickofthetail.

Have you ever read Trick's posts?

It is very interesting and entertaining.

Trick Of The Tail...A Genesis fan, maybe? 

I went back and read all of them, after Cleopatra's accusation. I didn't see anything there that would indicate he was JJD. I found him to be engaging and entertaining, two traits I would never associate with JJD.

[rgnnbld]

Feb 25, 2019 21:20:50 GMT dogs said:

Feb 25, 2019 19:52:55 GMT goldrusher said:

Trick Of The Tail...A Genesis fan, maybe? 

I went back and read all of them, after Cleopatra's accusation. I didn't see anything there that would indicate he was JJD. I found him to be engaging and entertaining, two traits I would never associate with JJD.

Mods could look at the IP addresses of all accounts questioned...

[cleopatra]

Feb 25, 2019 17:14:30 GMT Captain said:

Feb 25, 2019 15:57:32 GMT Horizon said:

Nice to have you descended here. I like your language & usage, 'a slew of responsibilities'. Is it to remove the culpability away from the dreadful series of murders that later became known as ONS murders?

Your talk, nice talk but strange talk, the talk that cuts off any connections to the rest of humanity. Since when this breed of cops got separated from the rest of the humanity bro? Their problems became their own and different to the rest?
Last but not least, Chief didn't sound healthy in this interview. I really hope its due to temporary stress. He's a gentleman and sincere in his duties, proof of that was the sacking of his inferior and curtailing the power of the latter seriously.  Most here don't doubt that, his sincerity.  Its the other things, bro. Like it or not we are here to discuss, cops and all

Speaking of "descending here", it's impressive that a post-arrest bandwagon armchair detective such as yourself is an expert on the case.

So, what about JJD's actions as an officer under Willick directly ties him to rape and murder so much so that it should've been blatantly obvious to Willick without the benefit of hindsight? Plenty of people are hot-heads and commit petty crimes such as shop-lifting but majority of them are not rapists or murderers so let's move past that. Most corrupt cops are not rapists and murderers. So, what else was there?

Yes, a slew of responsibilities. Have you ever worked in any leadership roles? Doubtful. I'm a business owner with a crew that works for me and others here are business owners too. I know from experience how much a leadership/management position entails. Now, take a traditional leadership role & add answering to city officials & the public, being responsible for the actions of a large number of officers, training those officers, & being tasked with keeping a city safe.

Do you really believe Willick sat at his desk eating donuts all day? He probably sat there with one of those all-revealing magic crystal balls that you guys think LE had back then right?

Yes, we are here to discuss police but i'm also here to tell you that you don't have a goddamn clue what you're talking about.

Deangelo did more than shoplift.  His house was loaded with stolen merchandise. He went so bazerk after being caught shoplifting he had to be tied down to a chair. It made such an impression on his captors. Willick  said Deangelo called in sick so frequently that he'd send another officer to Deangelo's home to check on him. After which that officer would report to Willick that Deangelo was not home. What are the chances that  on the dates (or the days before or after) Deangelo went AWOL or called in sick there were EAR attacks?  At 20, 30, 40, 50 attacks, how couldn't some correlate? The news reported whenever the EAR got injured while running from cops (causing limp, shoulder injury), and when one victim (whose nose and jaw he broke) put up a fight and scratched his face badly. 

Those were no ordinary times in the Nor Cal East Bay when a madman was on the loose breaking into homes in the middle of the night, entering bedrooms with people sound asleep in their beds. Even now, 30-40 years later, people who became familiar with the case became afraid. 

Men who were not specially trained as LE were on high alert and took every step to protect their wives and teenaged daughters.  Security bars were sold out at every hardware store. Women took self-defense classes. 

Wilick had a wife. He had daughter. He was a police sergant. Deangelo broke into Willick's home as he slept in his bedroom with his wife. Deangelo's intent was to kill Willick.  It amazes me that Willick didn't go after Deangelo for those things alone, forget everything else.  Anyone would have believed the cop who reported it over Deangelo. What motive would another cop have for making up such a story? 

As much as a supervisor has going on, regardless of how many subirdinates he had to deal with, the SQUEAKY WHEEL will always stand out. Especially the wheel who broke into their home, their safe-haven, and tried to kill him.

[cleopatra]

Feb 25, 2019 21:20:50 GMT dogs said:

Feb 25, 2019 19:52:55 GMT goldrusher said:

Trick Of The Tail...A Genesis fan, maybe? 

I went back and read all of them, after Cleopatra's accusation. I didn't see anything there that would indicate he was JJD. I found him to be engaging and entertaining, two traits I would never associate with JJD.

Those with keen perception and insight, who see beyond the shades of black and white, who have the ability to read between the lines, who are good with details, who stir away from the herd at times..... are able to see things those without those traits can't see. 

JJD's intention was to sound engaging and entertaining. Those who saw his posts that way, saw exactly what he wanted people to see.  He mocked posters. He did the opposite of what posters would expect of the EAR.  

[rgnnbld]

Feb 25, 2019 22:44:36 GMT cleopatra said:

Feb 25, 2019 21:20:50 GMT dogs said:

I went back and read all of them, after Cleopatra's accusation. I didn't see anything there that would indicate he was JJD. I found him to be engaging and entertaining, two traits I would never associate with JJD.

Those with keen perception and insight, who see beyond the shades of black and white, who have the ability to read between the lines, who are good with details, who stir away from the herd at times..... are able to see things those without those traits can't see. 

JJD's intention was to sound engaging and entertaining. Those who saw his posts that way, saw exactly what he wanted people to see.  He mocked posters. He did the opposite of what posters would expect of the EAR.  

I agree it was JJD he confirms information we know about JJD post-arrest which nobody could've predicted and also muddys the waters with tons of weird/mis-information..........similar to what he did in attacks. 

[Dan]

Aug 29, 2014 7:18:21 GMT 1 trickofthetail said:
JJ is Ear is Ons IS GHOSTWRITER JACK GRAY AND MANY MANY MORE KIDDOS!!!!PAY ATTENTION CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan]

big coincidence or thats really jjd

[dogs]

Feb 25, 2019 22:53:01 GMT rgnnbld said:

Feb 25, 2019 22:44:36 GMT cleopatra said:

Those with keen perception and insight, who see beyond the shades of black and white, who have the ability to read between the lines, who are good with details, who stir away from the herd at times..... are able to see things those without those traits can't see. 

JJD's intention was to sound engaging and entertaining. Those who saw his posts that way, saw exactly what he wanted people to see.  He mocked posters. He did the opposite of what posters would expect of the EAR.  

I agree it was JJD he confirms information we know about JJD post-arrest which nobody could've predicted and also muddys the waters with tons of weird/mis-information..........similar to what he did in attacks. 

Really? How creepy. Can you give me an example of what you are talking about? Not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to read it myself.

[missingwinner]

Feb 25, 2019 23:41:46 GMT Dan said:

Aug 29, 2014 7:18:21 GMT 1 trickofthetail said:
JJ is Ear is Ons

Or JJ: Junkfood Joey, as he was known by Auburn PD.

[Horizon]

Feb 25, 2019 17:14:30 GMT Captain said:

Feb 25, 2019 15:57:32 GMT Horizon said:

Nice to have you descended here. I like your language & usage, 'a slew of responsibilities'. Is it to remove the culpability away from the dreadful series of murders that later became known as ONS murders?

Your talk, nice talk but strange talk, the talk that cuts off any connections to the rest of humanity. Since when this breed of cops got separated from the rest of the humanity bro? Their problems became their own and different to the rest?
Last but not least, Chief didn't sound healthy in this interview. I really hope its due to temporary stress. He's a gentleman and sincere in his duties, proof of that was the sacking of his inferior and curtailing the power of the latter seriously.  Most here don't doubt that, his sincerity.  Its the other things, bro. Like it or not we are here to discuss, cops and all

Speaking of "descending here", it's impressive that a post-arrest bandwagon armchair detective such as yourself is an expert on the case.

So, what about JJD's actions as an officer under Willick directly ties him to rape and murder so much so that it should've been blatantly obvious to Willick without the benefit of hindsight? Plenty of people are hot-heads and commit petty crimes such as shop-lifting but majority of them are not rapists or murderers so let's move past that. Most corrupt cops are not rapists and murderers. So, what else was there?

Yes, a slew of responsibilities. Have you ever worked in any leadership roles? Doubtful. I'm a business owner with a crew that works for me and others here are business owners too. I know from experience how much a leadership/management position entails. Now, take a traditional leadership role & add answering to city officials & the public, being responsible for the actions of a large number of officers, training those officers, & being tasked with keeping a city safe.

Do you really believe Willick sat at his desk eating donuts all day? He probably sat there with one of those all-revealing magic crystal balls that you guys think LE had back then right?

Yes, we are here to discuss police but i'm also here to tell you that you don't have a goddamn clue what you're talking about.

You didn't read my post, did you? Mask, flash light and beaming that into the bedroom. Further to that, if the Chief ever checked, which I believe he certainly did, he would have found a size 9 or 9.5 tennis shoe imprints close to the window or in the yard.



Cops, like most, neither should be immune to criticism nor should be unassailable for reviews. Police institutions, like most establishments that exist in the society, are imperfect and are a work in progress. Its a fact and that doesn't require your or some Richie Cunningham's approval



Your post is a jumbled mess, it can be easily picked apart but I won't bother to go through it all. You seem to come down here and act like a stern headmaster. I won't give two figs about that. Just a waste of your own time. I will question Pope if I think he is wrong

[Deleted]

Feb 25, 2019 19:53:56 GMT Captain said:

Feb 25, 2019 18:30:59 GMT steelbike said:

I wish that the gentleman above would stop the name calling and attempts to bully anyone who’s perspective he doesn’t share. I think that the lead that was given the Sacramento sheriffs department by Visalia PD was the best lead in the case and that their refusal to consider it — not to mention THEIR bullying language— was reprehensible and partly responsible for people being murdered. That JJD wasn’t checked out more thoroughly when he was arrested makes me sick.

I was there., and I have immediate family who were Sac sheriffs . This subject has been upsetting me for the last week.

So go ahead Sir and call me names — you’ve had no argument only lame excuses.

Lmao, I'm a bully because I'm calling you guys out on your b.s.? Sorry, I don't sit back without offering pushback. People thought I was a bully when I called b.s. on the Phoenix Program Theory as well but look how that theory held up once JJD was caught. Trust me, i'm far from being the only one that feels the way I do about this matter. I have plenty of messages in my inbox from other posters saying they appreciate me calling b.s. on the nonsense here, including a few directly involved with the case.

That said, I have zero issue with anyone's view if there is evidence to back it up. You guys have 0 evidence. You clearly arrive here with a preconceived notion of police & what they do on the job which is the basis for your thoughts on the LEO's involved in this case.

I have no arguments? I clearly offered a rebuttle to everything thrown at me yet I never get the answers I ask for. Why is that?

I don't feel the least bit guilty about anything I have ever said here especially pertaining to law enforcement. Isn't it funny that i'm the bad guy for bashing your theories yet you guys have no problem whatsoever bashing LE & accusing them of all sorts of things? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

So what specifically is your argument? Go ahead I’m home from work and can listen now. Tell me how the Sacramento sheriffs department did excellent work on the EAR case. Who authorized ‘spokesman’ William Miller’s response to the Visalia PD’a efforts to solve this case before a lot of people died horrible deaths? Was it Duane Lowe?

You seem to want to make excuses so here it is: they were in over their heads

[Captain]

Feb 26, 2019 0:53:04 GMT Horizon said:

Feb 25, 2019 17:14:30 GMT Captain said:

Speaking of "descending here", it's impressive that a post-arrest bandwagon armchair detective such as yourself is an expert on the case.

So, what about JJD's actions as an officer under Willick directly ties him to rape and murder so much so that it should've been blatantly obvious to Willick without the benefit of hindsight? Plenty of people are hot-heads and commit petty crimes such as shop-lifting but majority of them are not rapists or murderers so let's move past that. Most corrupt cops are not rapists and murderers. So, what else was there?

Yes, a slew of responsibilities. Have you ever worked in any leadership roles? Doubtful. I'm a business owner with a crew that works for me and others here are business owners too. I know from experience how much a leadership/management position entails. Now, take a traditional leadership role & add answering to city officials & the public, being responsible for the actions of a large number of officers, training those officers, & being tasked with keeping a city safe.

Do you really believe Willick sat at his desk eating donuts all day? He probably sat there with one of those all-revealing magic crystal balls that you guys think LE had back then right?

Yes, we are here to discuss police but i'm also here to tell you that you don't have a goddamn clue what you're talking about.

You didn't read my post, did you? Mask, flash light and beaming that into the bedroom. Further to that, if the Chief ever checked, which I believe he certainly did, he would have found a size 9 or 9.5 tennis shoe imprints close to the window or in the yard.



Cops, like most, neither should be immune to criticism nor should be unassailable for reviews. Police institutions, like most establishments that exist in the society, are imperfect and are a work in progress. Its a fact and that doesn't require your or some Richie Cunningham's approval



Your post is a jumbled mess, it can be easily picked apart but I won't bother to go through it all. You seem to come down here and act like a stern headmaster. I won't give two figs about that. Just a waste of your own time. I will question Pope if I think he is wrong

Once again, stalking someone over a personal vendetta doesn't automatically equate to being a rapist and murderer especially when the EAR series were seemingly random stranger-on-stranger crimes. In hindsight, it makes sense, sure. Anyone can connect the dots once you have the final piece to the puzzle. No one is debating that. My issue with your thoughts on the matter is there has to be a something that ties JJD to being EAR beyond a completely unrelated act done out of anger against a former employer. Seeking revenge against a former employer over a work issue is not remotely related to the rape & murder of strangers. Completely different motivation, victim profile etc. If one of my employees pulled that on me over a work issue, I wouldn't say "Jeeze, he had a mask and a flash light so he must be the sexual sadist responsible for the crimes in the city 35 minutes away".

Now, was there any sexual harrassment or anything remotely sexual involving JJD known to Willick? Was JJD caught creeping around people's homes in the areas of the EAR attacks that Willick knew about? Was JJD caught out prowling neighborhoods late at night for some unknown reason in the EAR strike zones? You know, anything that could actually be related to the EAR crimes.

[cleopatra]

Feb 25, 2019 18:30:59 GMT steelbike said:

I wish that the gentleman above would stop the name calling and attempts to bully anyone who’s perspective he doesn’t share. I think that the lead that was given the Sacramento sheriffs department by Visalia PD was the best lead in the case and that their refusal to consider it — not to mention THEIR bullying language— was reprehensible and partly responsible for people being murdered. That JJD wasn’t checked out more thoroughly when he was arrested makes me sick.

I was there., and I have immediate family who were Sac sheriffs . This subject has been upsetting me for the last week.

So go ahead Sir and call me names — you’ve had no argument only lame excuses.

Officer McGowen was a great cop and a great detective. He knew in his gut the EAR was the VR and that the guy was a cop. 

I remember reading McGowen's  story long before the EAR was caught. Immediately after he was shot and while doctors were treating his eye in the hospital he insisted on describing the VR to a sketch artist. A day later when McGowen saw the sketch had been altered he was upset and made the artist re-do it to the way McGowen first described.  Everyone thought the final sketch was inaccurate because the perp looked so goofy. People thought the pain meds affected McGowen's ability to accurately recollect the perps appearance.  

Well. McGowen knew the EXACT spot the VR would strike one night and he parked at it. McGowen was dead-on right, and as a result got shot. Also as a result, he provided the MOST ACCURATE description of the VR/EAR, which resulted in the best sketch out of all the composotes out there. And it was the least used. He also was dead-on that the VR left the area because of the heat from shooting a cop, that the perp would progress into committing more heinous crimes now that he murdered Snelling, that the EAR was the VR, and last but not least, the guy was a COP. 

OFFICER MCGOWEN, MAY HIS SOUL RIP.