New POI?

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

One final thought. What if LE is just fishing. They had the original sketch up for 2 or 2 1/2 years. The case remained unsolved. They had a woman that said she saw a kid by a car he said was broken down (I'm assuming by the abandoned Child Protective Services building). She asked if he needed help and he said he was waiting for his father.

So, did LE who at first thought this had nothing to do with the crime decide to switch tactics and state this is the suspect? It seems to me they do not know what they are doing. They seem pretty inept to me. (Nice people but inept.) They can't get their story straight in the beginning if they had DNA or not. Finally they get caught in so many inconsistencies they come out and say yes, we have DNA. (Still, I wonder.) Then they say the original sketch is not BG the new sketch is. Then they make conflicting statements on that too.

I think they do not know and are desperately trying to do whatever they can.

If this latest sketch is just a fishing expedition and the original sketch is BG after all, then perhaps the car has nothing to do with the crime either and the story the young man said about waiting for his father might be true. They mention they are looking for people that saw the car between noon and 5 p.m. If that was the killer's car it would not still have been there at 5 p.m. So maybe the boy's father picked him up, they came back later for the car and are not coming forward out of fear. Then again, that young man and that car might be the killer and his car.

One question, does anyone know for a fact that LE knows the make, model, year or color of the car? At first experts discussing this case on HLN said that LE doesn't want to release that info so that when someone calls in with a description of a car they know doesn't fit they don't have to waste time chasing down that lead. HOWEVER, something else I heard LE say and now I don't recall where, sounded like LE really doesn't know. Just that there was a vehicle parked there. Does anyone have anything factual to clear that up>

[elir]

Sept 27, 2019 20:56:34 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Sept 27, 2019 18:16:33 GMT almagata said:

I have a theory that the girls saw Bridge Guy (BG) on the trail maybe doing drugs or something else illegal.  Abby and Libby knew who BG was but did not know his name and knew his parents but did not have any contact with BG in their daily lives. 

BG was concerned that they would report back to their parents that they saw him doing drugs or what ever else he was doing and in an effort to prevent them from reporting back on him to his parents (or the police), he killed the girls.  He may have been angry at other situations in his life and that helped fuel his attack on Abby and Libby. The drugs could have made him paranoid and violent.   

Maybe BG had been out in that area to do target practice that day so he happened to have his gun with him so he used to to get the girls to go off the main trail.  BG likely was from Delphi, perhaps does not still live in Delphi but still has ties there and he is familiar with the trail and the bridge. 

My guess, is that he is between 25-30.  Cannot hold a job.  Is not dumb but is emotionally dysfunctional with a tendency to rage.

This of course is just a theory. 

Hello Almagata,  I usually agree with you and at first I was thinking you might be onto something with this theory but on second thought I see problems with it.  

My first thought is that he appears to be carrying things under his jacket, it appears like maybe a lot of things.

Secondly, unfortunately drug use is very wide spread and I just can't see that he would murder two girls because they saw him doing drugs.  

There were no leaves on the trees and I think it would be hard to surprise him and that he wouldn't hear them coming.  It seems someone would have to be hiding behind a tree to not be seen and even then that would be hard to do.  

I've heard, but I do not know the source and so I can't say this is true but it's being widely discussed, and Gray Hughes mentions it (he's getting better, I used to not be able to tolerate him but he is knowledgeable so I've been listening to him more.) that one of the girls can be heard saying something like "is that weird guy still there?"  

Libby captured him on film, and she got his voice too, if he was from Delphi and a town that little, and one of the girls recognized him then it seems someone in the town would have recognized him.

I really suspect he was a serial killer that killed the two little girls on the nature trail in Evansdale, Iowa.  I suspect he looks for kids and snatches them if he can get them alone but young kids usually are with their parent or with a friend.  He may have attacked them both simply because two were together.  He may chose nature trails as a good hunting ground.

Michael Katt has a theory it's Thomas Bruce and that LE can't charge him until he is done with the murder trial of the Catholic Store victim in another state.  He lays out a lot of interesting things to back that up but I don't know.  Why would LE release the new sketch that looks nothing like Thomas Bruce after he was arrested and they have his DNA if they know it's Bruce.

Garett Kirts is a murderer, made some comment on his Facebook page about LE and some suspicions of him and a 13 year old girl plus he has connections to the property of Ron Logan where the girls were found and the theory is that he had a vendetta against Libby's father and it's rumored that Libby was the main focus of the attack BUT...I believe he would have been only 18 or 19 at the time, and again they have his DNA too and came out with the new sketch that doesn't look like him after he was arrested.

Then there is the report of the bum being aggressive and asking for money and dressed like BG but was dirty.  To me BG does not look dirty and does not look like a bum.  He does appear drunk to me though (or like you said, on drugs.)  The way he walks looks that way and to me not just because of the condition of the bridge.

I just hope they get the monster before he kills again, if he hasn't already.  If he abducts one child they probably won't make a connection.   

I have Have heard this explanation about why Thomas Bruce has not be charged but have yet to be given a credible explanation for why LE would not charge a person for a crime while they are in custody or on trial for s different trial.

Tulare county charged JJD for the Snelling murder after he was already arrested and in jail in Sacramento on the Maggiore and Southern California murders and assaults. We know that after his arrest , LE compared JJDs dna to evidence from other cold cases throughout California to see if he should be charged with other crimes. Given all that it makes little sense that a they would continue to run an investigation if there reasonable evidence to support charging him. .



From some things I’ve read recently , an interview with an officer involved in the case that is a better communicator than Carter in ISP, it appears that tDelphi investigators really do have dna and have tried to systematically rule people out . It suggests that whoever did this is not in codis. A similar example would be in the Jayme class kidnapping where it was later revealed that they had a dna profile from the murder scene but were unable to link it to anyone .

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Hello Elir, To tell you the truth I'm mixed up about that too. YouTube podcaster on the Delphi case, Michael Katt, is convinced that LE knows it's Thomas Bruce, that they have his DNA but they only have so long to charge him so they have to wait till he's done with the trial in Missouri. He said LE doesn't want to interfere with Missouri 1st degree murder case. He also said it’s a different state (Missouri and not Indiana), they cannot talk to him because Bruce has a lawyer that won’t permit it.

I am not a lawyer or in law enforcement so I have no idea if what he is saying is correct or not.

Tulare county charging JJD....question....Is Professor Snelling included in the the super trial in Sacramento?

Good point about the killer not being in CODIS, yes like Jaymee Closs and DeAngelo too. Bruce wasn't in CODIS and neither was Garret Kirts.

They both are really interesting.  But LE is denying that any of the known poi's are of interest and why would they release the new sketch if they know it's Bruce or Kirts.  I don't know but I'm interested.

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Anyone heard of Scott James Lafond?

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mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/ScottJamesLafond?src=hashtag_click

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Oct 3, 2019 8:50:28 GMT @meadowssylvan said:

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I have, and this guy that is posting this is vile and irresponsible as he himself is pointing out.  The man he is pointing fingers at, and posting side by side pictures of as well as of his son and of his wife doesn't look like either sketch  "currently".  The picture he is posting is apparently an old picture if you look at what he looks like now.  He is tremendously heavier and nothing like the sketches. Even if he still did resemble a sketch, that is not enough to accuse someone of being a murderer.  There has to be a lot more than that.  It seems like everybody looks like the sketches, Ron Logan, Daniel Nations, Charles Eldridge and so many others that people thought were Bridge Guy.  

[elir]

Oct 3, 2019 19:35:19 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Oct 3, 2019 8:50:28 GMT @meadowssylvan said:

mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/ScottJamesLafond?src=hashtag_click

I have, and this guy that is posting this is vile and irresponsible as he himself is pointing out.  The man he is pointing fingers at, and posting side by side pictures of as well as of his son and of his wife doesn't look like either sketch  "currently".  The picture he is posting is apparently an old picture if you look at what he looks like now.  He is tremendously heavier and nothing like the sketches. Even if he still did resemble a sketch, that is not enough to accuse someone of being a murderer.  There has to be a lot more than that.  It seems like everybody looks like the sketches, Ron Logan, Daniel Nations, Charles Eldridge and so many others that people thought were Bridge Guy.  

It is surprising that so many men in the area , including relatives of the girls , resemble the guy in the sketches or video.

[almagata]

I read a post about a rumor that that girls both had rings and cash that were taken from them.

Could this case really be as simple as a robbery gone bad?

[wisertime]

Maybe a robbery, but why would you think girls that age would have anything worth stealing, other than smartphones?

[almagata]

Oct 6, 2019 0:48:23 GMT wisertime said:

Maybe a robbery, but why would you think girls that age would have anything worth stealing, other than smartphones?

The value of items that are stolen is relative.  

A few bucks and some rings might seem valuable to a person that is broke. 

Leaving the phone, does kind of undermine the robbery theory, however. 

[elir]

Sept 27, 2019 18:16:33 GMT almagata said:

Sept 4, 2019 18:41:42 GMT justasking said:

I doubt the killer is a child molester. The Delphi guy just killed these girls. It seems like it was about the killing and not much else.

I'd say this man is in his 30's-40's and has an adolescent mindset. Regardless of his physical age, he was still somehow stuck psychologically to (approximately) the age of his victims. He probably has the mental age of ~16. Which could mean he lives with his parents or some other elder relatives.

No rape. Not overtly a sexual predator.

I have a theory that the girls saw Bridge Guy (BG) on the trail maybe doing drugs or something else illegal.  Abby and Libby knew who BG was but did not know his name and knew his parents but did not have any contact with BG in their daily lives. 

BG was concerned that they would report back to their parents that they saw him doing drugs or what ever else he was doing and in an effort to prevent them from reporting back on him to his parents (or the police), he killed the girls.  He may have been angry at other situations in his life and that helped fuel his attack on Abby and Libby. The drugs could have made him paranoid and violent.   

Maybe BG had been out in that area to do target practice that day so he happened to have his gun with him so he used to to get the girls to go off the main trail.  BG likely was from Delphi, perhaps does not still live in Delphi but still has ties there and he is familiar with the trail and the bridge. 

My guess, is that he is between 25-30.  Cannot hold a job.  Is not dumb but is emotionally dysfunctional with a tendency to rage.

This of course is just a theory. 

In a case with so little that is known and so much unknown. It is a pretty reasonable theory.

[almagata]

Oct 22, 2019 6:48:43 GMT elir said:

Sept 27, 2019 18:16:33 GMT almagata said:

I have a theory that the girls saw Bridge Guy (BG) on the trail maybe doing drugs or something else illegal.  Abby and Libby knew who BG was but did not know his name and knew his parents but did not have any contact with BG in their daily lives. 

BG was concerned that they would report back to their parents that they saw him doing drugs or what ever else he was doing and in an effort to prevent them from reporting back on him to his parents (or the police), he killed the girls.  He may have been angry at other situations in his life and that helped fuel his attack on Abby and Libby. The drugs could have made him paranoid and violent.   

Maybe BG had been out in that area to do target practice that day so he happened to have his gun with him so he used to to get the girls to go off the main trail.  BG likely was from Delphi, perhaps does not still live in Delphi but still has ties there and he is familiar with the trail and the bridge. 

My guess, is that he is between 25-30.  Cannot hold a job.  Is not dumb but is emotionally dysfunctional with a tendency to rage.

This of course is just a theory. 

In a case with so little that is known and so much unknown. It is a pretty reasonable theory.

Another theory I have been mulling over for him having the gun out there aside from target practice is that he might have been considering suicide that day.  Many guys who are contemplating suicide take people with them.  Perhaps one of the girls reminded him of someone that he was angry at in his life and he decided to attack displacing that anger. 

Once he had killed them his rage subsided and he realized he had made a huge mistake. 

[formerlurker]

Oct 22, 2019 18:54:59 GMT almagata said:

Oct 22, 2019 6:48:43 GMT elir said:

In a case with so little that is known and so much unknown. It is a pretty reasonable theory.

Another theory I have been mulling over for him having the gun out there aside from target practice is that he might have been considering suicide that day.  Many guys who are contemplating suicide take people with them.  Perhaps one of the girls reminded him of someone that he was angry at in his life and he decided to attack displacing that anger. 

Once he had killed them his rage subsided and he realized he had made a huge mistake. 

That would be a valid reason for the killer being at the bridge that day- maybe to jump off?

[almagata]

Oct 26, 2019 11:56:55 GMT formerlurker said:

Oct 22, 2019 18:54:59 GMT almagata said:

Another theory I have been mulling over for him having the gun out there aside from target practice is that he might have been considering suicide that day.  Many guys who are contemplating suicide take people with them.  Perhaps one of the girls reminded him of someone that he was angry at in his life and he decided to attack displacing that anger. 

Once he had killed them his rage subsided and he realized he had made a huge mistake. 

That would be a valid reason for the killer being at the bridge that day- maybe to jump off?

Jumping is possible but I believe that the killer had a gun with him. 
 

[elir]

Oct 26, 2019 16:33:39 GMT almagata said:

Oct 26, 2019 11:56:55 GMT formerlurker said:

That would be a valid reason for the killer being at the bridge that day- maybe to jump off?

Jumping is possible but I believe that the killer had a gun with him. 
 

Do you think he had a gun because it is the most logical way that one individual could control the two girls on his own, or is there another reason?