Man in the Window: 2 new episodes with some new info

[kg]

Episode 10: I find it interesting how there are still opinions that he was faking so much during attacks. We know there was a Bonnie, we know he had a relationship with his mother and if it was him sobbing during attacks it would make sense that he was apologizing to her for his behavior. Kids who grow up in abused homes can become emotionally fragile adults and he strikes me as being fragile. He might have dealt with his problems in his younger years with aggression (control seeking behavior), pushing the rules, etc. He behaved in many respects just like a damaged kid. And there was the confluence of an abusive childhood, Vietnam, and testosterone. But then in his later years he devoted his energies to caring for others, he finally had his own family, and he cared for them over and over and over. This in spite of what he endured in his youth, with a family of his own he found a way to have meaningful relationships. It is a great tragedy that he did not experience more security in his childhood because he just might have been a great person and a whole lot of hell could have been avoided. Of course he must pay for his crimes now. It really wouldn't surprise me if Cruz was his last act but it seems almost certain there are some crimes that have not yet been connected.

Back to the faking it theories. Since the other faking it theories pertaining to the crimes have been debunked it seems that knowledge should be applied now. He stood up in court and addressed the victims. Personally, I think it was genuine, he didn't have to do that, he chose to do that. His avoidance of eye contact with victims could demonstrate a sense of deep shame. From what I understand from the podcast he didn't have to sit there and listen to those statements. He chose to. Yes, he did not want to see them, but he also sent his daughters away when they were brought to the jail, it reads like shame. Only he can know but I do think he is sincere. I do think he felt that something was controlling him and I do believe he wanted out, at least in part.

[kg]

He had just been arrested after decades of hiding. We are all certain he knew the knock could someday come yet it only makes sense that he was in shock, in denial, and doing one heck of a lot of mental processing spanning the spectrum of oh crap the roast, and everyone is going to know what I’ve done, and how I wish it never happened because my daughters lives just became a living nightmare. I kind of doubt he was plotting some kind of elaborate defense, he was a cop, surely he knew he was done for. What are your thoughts Jbrantley130?

[kg]

Good points Jbrantley130, he surely did have lots of time to cogitate over a plan should he be arrested! And, ahem, he did have lots of pre-planning experience in his past.

[mtf65]

Dec 9, 2020 3:17:36 GMT JayB130 said:

Dec 9, 2020 2:38:23 GMT kg said:

He had just been arrested after decades of hiding. We are all certain he knew the knock could someday come yet it only makes sense that he was in shock, in denial, and doing one heck of a lot of mental processing spanning the spectrum of oh crap the roast, and everyone is going to know what I’ve done, and how I wish it never happened because my daughters lives just became a living nightmare. I kind of doubt he was plotting some kind of elaborate defense, he was a cop, surely he knew he was done for. What are your thoughts Jbrantley130?

I disagree, unfortunately I've been thru the process of being arrested (drug distribution) and the initial shock doesn't cause one to forget your plan, so to speak... Like what to tell them as your excuse for why I had so large of an amount of narcotics on my possession. You make your plan long before because as an active criminal, you pretty much know that day (arrest) is coming so you better be prepared with at the very least, some kind of defense. So, I think JJD was trying to set up an insanity defense while he was alone in the interrogation room. I don't always agree with you kg, but I always appreciate your input and research. 👍👍

Didn't I read once that JJD hired an attorney that specializeed in multiple personalities for his shoplifting case?  I bet he was considering that defense as his plan for most his life. 

[kg]

And it worked so well the first time......I have always seen him as part simpleton.

[Red909XMZ1]

I have only listened to the first new episode, but egads ... the new information is nothing short of stunning!

For example, JJD requested to speak to an attorney at least 6 times in the 24 hours after he was arrested and his basic Miranda Rights were completely denied.

He was interrogated by a number of people during this time, and asked for his wife as his attorney, and when she refused, he asked for another attorney.

Every single time he requested an attorney, he was denied.

Why should I even be surprised?

It is incredible to me, though, that in such a high-profile case, that his basic Miranda Rights were so egregiously denied.

Of course, I understand, this was a man who evaded capture for 40+ years, and the thought probably was, "Well, if there ever was a time to break the rules, now is the time."

Still, there is absolutely no excuse for this. The U.S. Supreme Court would not at all be happy with this rogue, bullish move by the DAs and LE.

I have only known fear of this true Boogeyman for most of my life; however, even I still believe there is absolutely no justification for taking away anyone's rights -- even JJD's.

Lastly, Paige St. John should be awarded not only a Pulitzer Prize for her brilliantly detailed investigative writing, but for her hauntingly beautiful, poetic narration of her podcast as well.

Bravo, Ms. St. John!

One last thing -- I have always wondered if JJD has Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Now, I am even more convinced he may have it.

[Red909XMZ1]

Dec 9, 2020 3:21:33 GMT JayB130 said:

I've stated it on here before but I'm no longer an active criminal... That was many years in the past. I've served my time. Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that.

Jay,

You are a wonderful person, and I, nor anyone here, would ever consider you a "criminal" - lol. We all make mistakes in life, and your complete honesty and vulnerability in sharing your life experiences add even more to your already outstanding character.

I am so glad you are a member of our forum, Jay.

[Red909XMZ1]

Dec 9, 2020 2:38:23 GMT kg said:

He had just been arrested after decades of hiding. We are all certain he knew the knock could someday come yet it only makes sense that he was in shock, in denial, and doing one heck of a lot of mental processing spanning the spectrum of oh crap the roast, and everyone is going to know what I’ve done, and how I wish it never happened because my daughters lives just became a living nightmare. I kind of doubt he was plotting some kind of elaborate defense, he was a cop, surely he knew he was done for. What are your thoughts Jbrantley130?

These are my exact thoughts, too, Kg. Paige St. John points out in her podcast that JJD did not undergo any psychiatric evaluations because he did not go to trial. He is currently being evaluated at North State Kern Prison, and my hope is that he is being evaluated by a highly competent psychiatrist.

[elir]

Dec 9, 2020 6:06:37 GMT Red909XMZ1 said:

Dec 9, 2020 2:38:23 GMT kg said:

He had just been arrested after decades of hiding. We are all certain he knew the knock could someday come yet it only makes sense that he was in shock, in denial, and doing one heck of a lot of mental processing spanning the spectrum of oh crap the roast, and everyone is going to know what I’ve done, and how I wish it never happened because my daughters lives just became a living nightmare. I kind of doubt he was plotting some kind of elaborate defense, he was a cop, surely he knew he was done for. What are your thoughts Jbrantley130?

These are my exact thoughts, too, Kg. Paige St. John points out in her podcast that JJD did not undergo any psychiatric evaluations because he did not go to trial. He is currently being evaluated at North State Kern Prison, and my hope is that he is being evaluated by a highly competent psychiatrist.

Just got off shift and saw this. Started listening but haven’t gotten to the part about DNA. I’ve read that the story on submitting DNA to databases is far more involved and legally questionable than Schubert indicated in previous interviews. JJDs defense , if they had had the full information, could have likely have dragged this out for years, so it is interesting that he plead out.

[elir]

They mention two attacks in Marin that were going to be charged but weren’t included in the plea deal. Any idea what those were?

[Red909XMZ1]

Dec 9, 2020 2:09:17 GMT kg said:

Episode 10: I find it interesting how there are still opinions that he was faking so much during attacks. We know there was a Bonnie, we know he had a relationship with his mother and if it was him sobbing during attacks it would make sense that he was apologizing to her for his behavior. Kids who grow up in abused homes can become emotionally fragile adults and he strikes me as being fragile. He might have dealt with his problems in his younger years with aggression (control seeking behavior), pushing the rules, etc. He behaved in many respects just like a damaged kid. And there was the confluence of an abusive childhood, Vietnam, and testosterone. But then in his later years he devoted his energies to caring for others, he finally had his own family, and he cared for them over and over and over. This in spite of what he endured in his youth, with a family of his own he found a way to have meaningful relationships. It is a great tragedy that he did not experience more security in his childhood because he just might have been a great person and a whole lot of hell could have been avoided. Of course he must pay for his crimes now. It really wouldn't surprise me if Cruz was his last act but it seems almost certain there are some crimes that have not yet been connected.

Back to the faking it theories. Since the other faking it theories pertaining to the crimes have been debunked it seems that knowledge should be applied now. He stood up in court and addressed the victims. Personally, I think it was genuine, he didn't have to do that, he chose to do that. His avoidance of eye contact with victims could demonstrate a sense of deep shame. From what I understand from the podcast he didn't have to sit there and listen to those statements. He chose to. Yes, he did not want to see them, but he also sent his daughters away when they were brought to the jail, it reads like shame. Only he can know but I do think he is sincere. I do think he felt that something was controlling him and I do believe he wanted out, at least in part.

Outstanding, spot-on post, Kg! I so agree with everything you stated.

I would only add that in addition to shame, he felt enormous guilt, because he truly loves his daughters, and was showing the most loving move he could possibly make: to say goodbye to them, so they could be free the rest of their lives from suffering and worrying about him.

[kg]

Episode 9: St. John weaves in the word ‘decorum’, excellent! But it reminds me of how unlikely it is that he wrote Excitement’s Crave. No matter how much we hear from JJD I am not expecting a string of impressive word choices.

JJD’s history of burglarizing in tandem with a friend in his teens testifies to the possibility that others may have been involved with him criminally in some of his later escapades. I appreciate his associates advocacy for dogs, defending them for just doing their job.

[elir]

Thoughts /observations:
The reporter discussed the police reports from his time in Auburn . He was a lackluster cop.

She watched the interview footage. He asked for a lawyer six times over a 24 hour period. While JJD was requesting one, a judge had appointed one for him, however the police would not allow her get into the building for 8 hours while they interrogate him.

Paul Holes has said in a talk that something happened during interrogation that changed things, led to his not being able to speak to JJD. It was that JJD was asking for a lawyer, so they sent in a detective from Ventura that was a hard ass . They thought he could break Deangelo.

She gives a lot more context to his statements while in custody. Police had his daughters come to see him but he says go away and then goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, long after they left.

Got the impression that he has only spoken to his lawyers since his arrest , hasn’t responded to family.

Paige StJohn did a nice job focusing on Phyllis, victim#1, who was dealing with the case while also fighting for her life. She died of cancer last month.

StJohn also noted the poor treatment of non Sac victims such as Gay Hardwick. Appears that Gay had a large role in brokering the plea deal that required JJD acknowledge all his crimes , charged or uncharged. the defense was amenable to that. On occasion it seems that the biggest barrier to getting the plea deal was the prosecution.

[f1guyus]

“ On occasion it seems that the biggest barrier to getting the plea deal was the prosecution.”

Makes perfect sense to me. For an upwardly mobile ADA this case and the opportunity to show off your legal chops in court could be a great career maker. Mind now, I’m not criticizing anyone. When opportunity knocks you answer the knock. 

[starsky]

Dec 9, 2020 7:15:31 GMT elir said:

They mention two attacks in Marin that were going to be charged but weren’t included in the plea deal. Any idea what those were?

Good question. JJD in Marin raises lots of possibilities--Zodiac being one. They were part of the original sealed court filings.


Undisclosed attacks also not charged are the below:

Kris Pedretti rape, Carmichael

Goleta couple attacked and bound, but escape with their lives

4 rapes and sexual assaults in Sac

A rape in Contra Costa County

A Sac youth shot that was chased over back yard fences

A man clubbed over the head in his garage (recalls  November, 1981 North Sac murder bludgeoning of teacher Edward J. Boruk  and the December 27th, 1980 killing of nurse Julia Wilkinson in her garage in San Diego--with a hammer. )


In addition, JJD agreed to admit to 188 additional uncharged crimes against 61 people, including a new rape, 1970s teenager who was pulled into a canal
.