MO comparison: All EAR attacks vs. ONS #1 (10-1-79)

[johnnyhands1]

The first attack on 10-1-79 in Santa Barbara/Goleta was thwarted, so there was less MO revealed by ONS.

1) Consider if any of the EAR attacks had been thwarted at the same point in the attack, with the victim(s) running out of the house and JJD bailing and escaping.  Would there be any MO difference between that EAR attack and ONS#1 - other than the repeated mumbling of "gonna kill 'em"?  The MO revealed before the thwarting would seem exactly the same between an aborted EAR attack and ONS #1 to me.  The dog paw prints outside would be another difference, I suppose.

2) We do know he did said "I'm gonna kill YOU" three times in a row from the EAR phone call recorded by the victim in attack #1 (were there other EAR phones calls with that repeated whether recorded or not?) Did any detective in the history of the case ever consider if "gonna kill 'em" and "I'm gonna kill you" could have been done by the same offender?

Here's an interesting VR entry from the 12-26-75 map, where there WAS another phone call where the caller repeated "I'm gonna kill you", and the police were called but thought it to be a prank, from "Early May 1974."  The house was ransacked about two weeks later. Note this phone call is not mentioned anywhere in the timeline or incidents on visaliaransacker.com (I looked at all the May 1974 attacks, including those ransackings that could have been about two weeks later than early May, VR attacks #18 through #28).  I'm thinking no one in Sacramento ever knew about this 1974 VR phone call, but had EAR and VR investigations cooperated, it surely would have been shared with Sac detectives:

www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=36.31498899999999%2C-119.30236370000002&z=8&mid=1cDmjGeM4U9zmOi_xJJe0lsrqv80f1US3

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"Kill You" Call

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Early May, 1974. Teenaged babysitter received a phone call around 8:30 pm. Caller stated "I'm going to kill you" several times until babysitter hung up. When she picked up the phone to call the police, the caller was still on the line, and he repeated "I'm going to kill you.." She hung up the phone, locked the kids in the house, and went to the neighbor's for help. The police were called, but they felt it was a prank. The babysitter's mother came and waited until the residents returned home. The same house was ransacked about two weeks later.

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[natureboy92]

Definitely sounds like JJD to me. The ransacking two weeks later basically confirms it. When you look at the crimes of the Exeter and Visalia Ransacker, it’s really jarring how much similarity there is to EAR. I’m not a big “oh if they had only done ____ they would have caught him earlier” guy, but it seems like if Sacramento had taken Visalia seriously at all, they would have known it was the same perpetrator.

[zforce]

Break-ins that were preceded by threatening phone calls were the MO of the 1980’s Visalia offender. I’ve referred to this individual as the Visalia Creeper in previous posts, to differentiate the time frame. While prior to JJD’s arrest we could never conclusively say whether GSK and VR were connected, I always felt strongly that VR and VC were one and the same. This would be the same individual who terrorized former poster 222urit.

To circle back around the IP though, one of the younger VC victims would recollect years later that McGowen was the name of the detective who worked with his family to try and catch the guy stalking them, even going as far as to stakeout the house and install an alarm if someone entered their home at night. Late one evening the alarm was tripped, but before police converged on the home the offender was already fleeing down an empty drainage canal behind the home. I’ve always wondered if McGowen had a hunch this was VR back in town which is why the local LE was on such heightened alert for the VC crimes.

Anyway, the totality of the crimes of the VC never amounted to any physical violence so I don’t think LE has any real interest in tying those crimes to JJD as there’s nothing really to prosecute. We know JJD was in the area regularly in the 1980’s and I feel confident in saying he most likely was the VC.

[johnnyhands1]

Apr 9, 2021 1:08:13 GMT zforce said:

Break-ins that were preceded by threatening phone calls were the MO of the 1980’s Visalia offender. I’ve referred to this individual as the Visalia Creeper in previous posts, to differentiate the time frame. While prior to JJD’s arrest we could never conclusively say whether GSK and VR were connected, I always felt strongly that VR and VC were one and the same. This would be the same individual who terrorized former poster 222urit.

To circle back around the IP though, one of the younger VC victims would recollect years later that McGowen was the name of the detective who worked with his family to try and catch the guy stalking them, even going as far as to stakeout the house and install an alarm if someone entered their home at night. Late one evening the alarm was tripped, but before police converged on the home the offender was already fleeing down an empty drainage canal behind the home. I’ve always wondered if McGowen had a hunch this was VR back in town which is why the local LE was on such heightened alert for the VC crimes.

Anyway, the totality of the crimes of the VC never amounted to any physical violence so I don’t think LE has any real interest in tying those crimes to JJD as there’s nothing really to prosecute. We know JJD was in the area regularly in the 1980’s and I feel confident in saying he most likely was the VC.

Haven't heard about the criminal you call "VC", thanks for the info.

If I go on a newspapers.com search for this offender, will I find anything? I ask because, as far as I know, the Visalia Ransacker didn't get newspaper coverage until the Snelling murder - and the VC never hurt anyone physically, so his crimes may have never got press coverage.

But I will look up the posts of former poster 222urit. Thanks

[johnnyhands1]

Apr 9, 2021 8:03:58 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Apr 9, 2021 1:08:13 GMT zforce said:

Break-ins that were preceded by threatening phone calls were the MO of the 1980’s Visalia offender. I’ve referred to this individual as the Visalia Creeper in previous posts, to differentiate the time frame. While prior to JJD’s arrest we could never conclusively say whether GSK and VR were connected, I always felt strongly that VR and VC were one and the same. This would be the same individual who terrorized former poster 222urit.

To circle back around the IP though, one of the younger VC victims would recollect years later that McGowen was the name of the detective who worked with his family to try and catch the guy stalking them, even going as far as to stakeout the house and install an alarm if someone entered their home at night. Late one evening the alarm was tripped, but before police converged on the home the offender was already fleeing down an empty drainage canal behind the home. I’ve always wondered if McGowen had a hunch this was VR back in town which is why the local LE was on such heightened alert for the VC crimes.

Anyway, the totality of the crimes of the VC never amounted to any physical violence so I don’t think LE has any real interest in tying those crimes to JJD as there’s nothing really to prosecute. We know JJD was in the area regularly in the 1980’s and I feel confident in saying he most likely was the VC.

Haven't heard about the criminal you call "VC", thanks for the info.

If I go on a newspapers.com search for this offender, will I find anything? I ask because, as far as I know, the Visalia Ransacker didn't get newspaper coverage until the Snelling murder - and the VC never hurt anyone physically, so his crimes may have never got press coverage.

But I will look up the posts of former poster 222urit. Thanks

Here's are the 222urit posts that reveals something about the offender she dealt with:

For the first post, I couldn't find any post for 222urit that could be described as a follow up that would fit, "More tomorrow if you care to read this."

For the second post, I couldn't find the "sketch posted on April 4th by Zforce."

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earonsgsk.proboards.com/post/21365

dengas just emailed me that someone might have some questions about my experiences. Here's the Readers Digest version. I think I could write a book. Was harassed from about 1975 (or sooner) until about a year after the final break-in in 1985. Will call him "He". He would come into my house while I was working (selling real estate) and move things! The police were nice, but patronizing. like, "Mrs. _____, are you sure you didn't move that statue from the table to the middle of the hallway floor?" It was maddening. Then after a week or so - he was gone! Thank God. I would start to feel very secure again, then come home one day to find something odd in my house. Months would pass in between his "calling cards". When one of my daughters was about 14 yrs old she rode her bike to her Asian girlfriends house like she often did. Her bike was stolen that day and the only thing she could remember is that a man on a little bike was watching her as she rode to Lyn's house. The following week I took her to Lyn's house and while they were all upstairs, someone came into the house and stole credit cards and money from Lyn's moms purse sitting on the dining room table. (circa 1982 +/-) From then on, Lyn had to come to our house. The following week, Lyn awoke to a man in a ski mask who had cut the front of her nightie with a knife and told her to be quiet. She screamed bloody murder and he ran. Her mom and dad moved to another state, immediately. It was a slow time in real estate and they left the house vacant - just moved 1000 miles away. I moved to. My husband drank more that he earned in $$ so I got a divorce and moved - onto Royal Oaks Drive. That was a disaster. More tomorrow if you care to read this.

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earonsgsk.proboards.com/post/24456

From my 1985 break-in there were fingerprints. From my ransacking in 1983 there were none - but that was my fault. I think the sketch posted on April 4th by Zforce is the same guy (with more weight on him) as the guy in the sketch released on 4/16/1978 by the Sacramento Bee. The two guys side by side - it would be the one on the left. His weight went up and down with his moods.

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[zforce]

Apr 9, 2021 8:03:58 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Apr 9, 2021 1:08:13 GMT zforce said:

Break-ins that were preceded by threatening phone calls were the MO of the 1980’s Visalia offender. I’ve referred to this individual as the Visalia Creeper in previous posts, to differentiate the time frame. While prior to JJD’s arrest we could never conclusively say whether GSK and VR were connected, I always felt strongly that VR and VC were one and the same. This would be the same individual who terrorized former poster 222urit.

To circle back around the IP though, one of the younger VC victims would recollect years later that McGowen was the name of the detective who worked with his family to try and catch the guy stalking them, even going as far as to stakeout the house and install an alarm if someone entered their home at night. Late one evening the alarm was tripped, but before police converged on the home the offender was already fleeing down an empty drainage canal behind the home. I’ve always wondered if McGowen had a hunch this was VR back in town which is why the local LE was on such heightened alert for the VC crimes.

Anyway, the totality of the crimes of the VC never amounted to any physical violence so I don’t think LE has any real interest in tying those crimes to JJD as there’s nothing really to prosecute. We know JJD was in the area regularly in the 1980’s and I feel confident in saying he most likely was the VC.

Haven't heard about the criminal you call "VC", thanks for the info.

If I go on a newspapers.com search for this offender, will I find anything? I ask because, as far as I know, the Visalia Ransacker didn't get newspaper coverage until the Snelling murder - and the VC never hurt anyone physically, so his crimes may have never got press coverage.

But I will look up the posts of former poster 222urit. Thanks

You may find linked activity in the newspapers but it will just be the general crimes. Ostensibly, we’ve only had the stories of 222urit and The Badge from the A&E board to go on. The same victim I mentioned previously did say that he recalled at the time LE had told his family they believed their stalker to also have been targeting four other families around that time.

Being that LE set up stakeouts based around this individual’s activity, I’m not sure the stalking element would have been printed in the paper but being the crimes were very similar to VR it’s possible there were other crimes that would be in the paper that haven’t been attributed to VC.

I definitely think it’s worth examining the local newspapers during that decade, because we know JJD was there and then there was also this VC offender. To my knowledge, over the years none of our resident newspaper sleuths were looking at Visalia in the 1980’s.