Four Idaho College Students Murdered in Shared Home

[almagata]

Kaylee's parents were interviewed tonight and they said that the injuries to Kaylee and Maddie were different.  They did not provide details but they are very frustrated with the lack of communication with them by law enforcement. 

[Jay7777]

Idaho college murder suspect may have killed before, unlikely to be a student, former FBI special agent says

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-college-murder-suspect-may-have-killed-before-unlikely-to-be-a-student-former-fbi-special-agent-says/ar-AA151GUj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dc8a2c611b9a46b69a416c03d2c94c6a

A former FBI special agent profiled what kind of person police could expect to find responsible for the murders of four University of Idaho students, saying the suspect likely has behavior that can be "easily identified" in their community.

"I can guarantee you that the behavior that we see exhibited in this murder was most likely an escalation," Jonathan Gilliam said on "America Reports" Wednesday. "And somebody who has either killed before or who has had a pattern of very odd violent behavior."

Gilliam articulated how behavioral analysis will help police track down suspects as the murders still have no motive or weapon four weeks later.

"We know in the past with these types of killers that people have said later on, ‘Well, he was very odd. They had an aura of danger, or they were very violent. We just never thought to report this,’" he said. "And I think this is somebody in reflection that the general public in that area… can reflect on."

Last month, Gilliam weighed in on the use of a Ka-Bar knife, also known as a "Rambo"-style knife.

"That knife is pretty much a relic," Gilliam said on "Fox & Friends First." "Nobody really uses that knife except for people that had them when they got out of the military or they got handed down."

Gilliam noted the specific weapon is a powerful clue helping investigators further profile the potential suspect.

On Wednesday, Gilliam also addressed the layout of the home where the murders occurred. Appearing as almost two separate apartments, he said that understanding where the killer entered could reveal more information about the killings.

"If they went upstairs and started there, they would move to the second person and then come back downstairs and finish off those attacks. And by the time they get to the last person, they would pretty much be exhausted as well as have spread the DNA from one person to the next," Gilliam said.

"Killing with a knife, especially a large knife like this, is a very physical activity that would drain somebody rapidly."

Gilliam emphasized the importance behavioral analysis will play in tracking down a suspect and finding answers for the families and the Moscow community, adding that he believes the suspect is either not a college student or a "newer" student.

"This is a type of person that knows enough about society not to get into too much trouble, but somebody that has such a desire to kill that they actually lack empathy, the ability to sympathize for others, and many people would describe them as not having a conscience," he said.

"So I think this is a type of behavior that we can easily identify."

As the investigation creeps up on nearly a month since the killings of Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen, family members have been critical of law enforcement's lack of leads and messaging as they continue to wait and hope for answers.

[almagata]

This case is very odd. Now that they have determined who and where the boyfriends were and it does not seem to be any of them, it is looking more like this was a stranger attack.

Late today they said that they were looking for the driver of a white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra who was in the area.

That would indicate that they are less inclined to think it is someone that was a neighbor who walked there and walked home.

[cluso]

"Five plainclothes investigators just left the murder scene. They offered no comment and drove away in two vehicles, one with a WA plate." Could they have a potential connection to another case

[Jay7777]

This case kind of reminds me of Danny Rolling Gainesville serial murders or Ted Bundy attack on the sorority house. This is a very dangerous and sick person!

[mustangman]

Dec 9, 2022 5:10:47 GMT cluso said:

"Five plainclothes investigators just left the murder scene. They offered no comment and drove away in two vehicles, one with a WA plate." Could they have a potential connection to another case

LE said that they were removing the victims personal items to return to the families.   

[cluso]

It looks like they have things on him, one they released is the car, it now feels like that car was for sure involved, i would imagine otherwise that the driver would have contacted LE by now i mean it is all over the news and seems unlikely he is not aware of it, they are also monitoring the border to Canada and i heard (so it is not official) that they are asking video footage from businesses close to the road from and toward WA-Moscow . They rightfully are not saying half of what they have on what i would imagine is a he. Some people have been accused online to be the man we can see from the Grub Truck video in the hoodie (who looks highly suspicious to me to be honest but might not be involved) that person hasn't made any statement or disclaimer, he has been oddly quiet about the accusations made on him and his name hasn't been officially released, i wonder why if he has been officially cleared, he might have his reasons for it, i am not accusing him. The car they are looking for could be a stolen car from a different state or a car that belongs to an outsider of town that could have been visiting relatives or friends. I am leaning toward 2 options, 1 the man in the hoodie 2 could it be a stranger that got ticked by the girls social medias pictures and posts. Finally i wonder if he was maybe linked to a crime in WA or maybe the car was stolen there (if it is a stolen car). I think they have a lot more than we think on him and that his days are counted

[cluso]

Could it be a serial killer ? www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/idaho-university-student-murders-oregon-stabbing-link-b2232291.html

[almagata]

One of the neighbors in the apartment across the street gave an interview to a local newspaper saying that he heard a scream around 4:00 AM, however, he had posted on his Facebook page that he had heard nothing. Once his name was published, the social media investigators started pulling up all sorts of history on this guy Inan Harsh. He has been to prison for robbery and admits to selling drugs. Currently, he is employed as a chef.

Tonight he posted a long personal history on Reddit that is quite strange and allowed people to ask him questions for a couple of hours. I'll leave a link to the thread. If I was a investigator on the case, I would be adding a name to my list.

www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/zjizyo/inan_harsh_ama/

[Jay7777]

Idaho Murder Victim's Father Shares Details on Who He Thinks the Killer Is

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-murder-victim-s-father-shares-details-on-who-he-thinks-the-killer-is/ar-AA15cfvv?ocid=iehp&cvid=c78d45174a224376b359a1bd02318b59


The father of a victim fatally stabbed in Idaho recently spoke out to share details on the type of individual he believes killed his daughter and three others.

On November 13, officers with the Moscow Police Department discovered four University of Idaho students dead in their off-campus residence. The four individuals were identified as Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and Xana Kernodle, 20.

On Sunday, Goncalves' father, Steve Goncalves, spoke with Fox News Digital about the ongoing investigation and offered some criticism about police.

"I got outraged by them not just coming out and saying this was a woman or a man because they should know by the amount of strength it took to deliver the injuries," he told Fox News Digital. "They're just being cowards. There are girls walking around the street right now that deserve to know. They should be looking out for a sadistic male."

The comments by Gonclaves come as police continue to investigate the four homicides, with no suspect or person of interest identified at this point. Police have continued to release limited information about the case.

During his interview with Fox News Digital, Gonclaves explained that he recently spoke with the local coroner, Cathy Mabbutt, about the wounds his daughter sustained.

"She said these were big open gouges. She said it was quick. These weren't something where you were going to be able to call 911. They were not going to slowly bleed out," he said.

Goncalves also said that his daughter's wounds "definitely did not match" the wounds sustained by Mogen. They were believed to be in the same bed when the stabbings occurred.

"They may have individually died from the exact same thing, being stabbed, but there are more details....They're not even close to matching," he added.

Last week, police revealed that they were looking to speak with the occupant(s) of a 2011-2013 white Hyundai Elantra, which prompted an array of different tips flooding in.

"The investigation team spent many hours over the weekend going through tips provided to the FBI Tip Line and the Tip Line email. Police are still looking for information regarding a 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra," the Moscow Police Department said in an update on Monday.

"Tips and leads have led investigators to look for additional information about this vehicle being in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of November 13th. The FBI continues to prioritize and vet those tips," police added.

[cluso]

Here is a 3d tour of the house, it helps to have a better feel on how this could have went down
orbix360.com/t/9g8XKxMqJubuoNhNjwwG9nBATwB3/5155886892843008

[Jay7777]

I think the killer wasn’t aware of the two girls in the basement/lower level of the house. Which probably saved their lives.

[almagata]

Dec 13, 2022 1:29:20 GMT Jay7777 said:

Idaho Murder Victim's Father Shares Details on Who He Thinks the Killer Is

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/idaho-murder-victim-s-father-shares-details-on-who-he-thinks-the-killer-is/ar-AA15cfvv?ocid=iehp&cvid=c78d45174a224376b359a1bd02318b59


The father of a victim fatally stabbed in Idaho recently spoke out to share details on the type of individual he believes killed his daughter and three others.

On November 13, officers with the Moscow Police Department discovered four University of Idaho students dead in their off-campus residence. The four individuals were identified as Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and Xana Kernodle, 20.

On Sunday, Goncalves' father, Steve Goncalves, spoke with Fox News Digital about the ongoing investigation and offered some criticism about police.

"I got outraged by them not just coming out and saying this was a woman or a man because they should know by the amount of strength it took to deliver the injuries," he told Fox News Digital. "They're just being cowards. There are girls walking around the street right now that deserve to know. They should be looking out for a sadistic male."

The comments by Gonclaves come as police continue to investigate the four homicides, with no suspect or person of interest identified at this point. Police have continued to release limited information about the case.

During his interview with Fox News Digital, Gonclaves explained that he recently spoke with the local coroner, Cathy Mabbutt, about the wounds his daughter sustained.

"She said these were big open gouges. She said it was quick. These weren't something where you were going to be able to call 911. They were not going to slowly bleed out," he said.

Goncalves also said that his daughter's wounds "definitely did not match" the wounds sustained by Mogen. They were believed to be in the same bed when the stabbings occurred.

"They may have individually died from the exact same thing, being stabbed, but there are more details....They're not even close to matching," he added.

Last week, police revealed that they were looking to speak with the occupant(s) of a 2011-2013 white Hyundai Elantra, which prompted an array of different tips flooding in.

"The investigation team spent many hours over the weekend going through tips provided to the FBI Tip Line and the Tip Line email. Police are still looking for information regarding a 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra," the Moscow Police Department said in an update on Monday.

"Tips and leads have led investigators to look for additional information about this vehicle being in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of November 13th. The FBI continues to prioritize and vet those tips," police added.

There are many people that need to just shut their mouths in this case. 

The coroner should not be sharing info with the parents.

The parents need to stay away from the media with any information they have about the case.

Most people related to the this case have figured out the media are not their friend and will only use them for a segment for their show for the day.  

[almagata]

Dec 13, 2022 17:15:00 GMT Jay7777 said:

I think the killer wasn’t aware of the two girls in the basement/lower level of the house. Which probably saved their lives.

Quite possible...and that would mean that he had not surveilled the house for days or months. 

[mustangman]

Dec 13, 2022 23:29:56 GMT almagata said:

Dec 13, 2022 17:15:00 GMT Jay7777 said:

I think the killer wasn’t aware of the two girls in the basement/lower level of the house. Which probably saved their lives.

Quite possible...and that would mean that he had not surveilled the house for days or months. 

Or it's true as the police had initially claimed that all victims or 1 specific victim had been targeted by the killer.  By skipping over the two roommates on the 1st floor it would look like the other 4 were targeted...   There are 3 points of entry into the house at each floor, the killer only targeted victims on the 2nd & 3rd.  If the killer was a fledgling "serial killer" why not add the two girls on the 1st floor to his body count?  I'm kinda leaning towards the killer knowing the house layout and purposely avoiding the 1st floor occupants.