Kaylee's time in Moscow after June 2022

[elir]

In People magazine it was confirmed by a former employee that BK went the restaurant where Maddie and Xana worked at least twice in the weeks before the murders. Doesn’t mean he interacted with them , but it suggests at least one connection between the killer and two of the four victims.

people.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-idaho-murders-suspect-visited-restaurant-victims-worked/

Jan 13, 2023 7:10:48 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Jan 13, 2023 0:20:38 GMT pod said:

Mad Greek in Moscow is a Greek restaurant. Their menu is available to see online. I don't know anything about vegan food in restaurants. But if Kohberger is so extreme he made his relatives buy new pots and pans, would he frequent a restaurant that wasn't fully vegan but only had vegan options on the menu?

I'd be interested to know if Kohberger was in the habit of paying cash or credit/debit during his time in the Moscow-Pullman area.  As I'm sure you've already thought of, there may be a record of him paying by card at the Mad Greek. LE is surely looking at every record of him in Moscow since his arrival to Pullman in June '22.

Here's a paragraph from an article about Maddie and Xana's working at the Mad Greek, from November 16, 2022:

meaww.com/mad-greek-pays-tribute-to-madison-mogen-and-xana-kernodle-killed-in-idaho-university-attack

"The restaurant, named Mad Greek, said Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21, had been servers at the restaurant for several years and the latter even managed their social media pages. The restaurant also said they have temporarily closed to process and grieve. "It is with a broken heart and deep sadness to share with you that we have lost two of our own here at Mad Greek," the restaurant posted on Facebook."

I was wondering how they had been servers for "several years" if the Mad Greek served alcohol, but it turns out the age is 19 in Idaho to serve alcohol:  

Here's a page that lists the minimum serving age for every US state:

bartendinglicensehelp.com/legal-age-to-serve-alcohol/

Also, here's an snippet form an article from that same site I referenced earlier, above, from Jan. 2, that references someone "reading" that Kaylee visited the Mad Greek often:

meaww.com/internet-says-vegan-bryan-kohberger-went-to-mad-greek-where-the-victims-worked

"SG said they see a link between him and Kaylee, so I'm not sure what happened there, but I read Kaylee would frequent the Mad Greek a lot so I wouldnt be surprised if that's where they made initial contact."

[johnnyhands1]

Thanks for that, elir. The former worker also said Kohberger stood out in his/her memory because he wanted a strict vegan pizza and insisted the pizza had no animal products in it.

[almagata]

Jan 20, 2023 2:14:22 GMT elir said:

In People magazine it was confirmed by a former employee that BK went the restaurant where Maddie and Xana worked at least twice in the weeks before the murders. Doesn’t mean he interacted with them , but it suggests at least one connection between the killer and two of the four victims.

people.com/crime/bryan-kohberger-idaho-murders-suspect-visited-restaurant-victims-worked/

Jan 13, 2023 7:10:48 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

I'd be interested to know if Kohberger was in the habit of paying cash or credit/debit during his time in the Moscow-Pullman area.  As I'm sure you've already thought of, there may be a record of him paying by card at the Mad Greek. LE is surely looking at every record of him in Moscow since his arrival to Pullman in June '22.

Here's a paragraph from an article about Maddie and Xana's working at the Mad Greek, from November 16, 2022:

meaww.com/mad-greek-pays-tribute-to-madison-mogen-and-xana-kernodle-killed-in-idaho-university-attack

"The restaurant, named Mad Greek, said Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21, had been servers at the restaurant for several years and the latter even managed their social media pages. The restaurant also said they have temporarily closed to process and grieve. "It is with a broken heart and deep sadness to share with you that we have lost two of our own here at Mad Greek," the restaurant posted on Facebook."

I was wondering how they had been servers for "several years" if the Mad Greek served alcohol, but it turns out the age is 19 in Idaho to serve alcohol:  

Here's a page that lists the minimum serving age for every US state:

bartendinglicensehelp.com/legal-age-to-serve-alcohol/

Also, here's an snippet form an article from that same site I referenced earlier, above, from Jan. 2, that references someone "reading" that Kaylee visited the Mad Greek often:

meaww.com/internet-says-vegan-bryan-kohberger-went-to-mad-greek-where-the-victims-worked

"SG said they see a link between him and Kaylee, so I'm not sure what happened there, but I read Kaylee would frequent the Mad Greek a lot so I wouldnt be surprised if that's where they made initial contact."

Well, that makes the most sense. 

Kohberger had not been in the area very long and he attended a different college.  The kids had to cross his path someplace. 

[pod]

Mainstream media has become no better than YouTuber sleuths desperate for views.

On Facebook, the owner of Mad Greek denies Kohberger visited the restaurant, saying "The news/media should really do their due diligence before running a story with completely fabricated information. This will be my only response to this story from People… It is not true."

[almagata]

Jan 22, 2023 18:15:27 GMT pod said:

Mainstream media has become no better than YouTuber sleuths desperate for views.

On Facebook, the owner of Mad Greek denies Kohberger visited the restaurant, saying "The news/media should really do their due diligence before running a story with completely fabricated information. This will be my only response to this story from People… It is not true."

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I don't think we will know how they crossed paths until they overlay the kid's cell phone data location with Kohberger's. 

[johnnyhands1]

Jan 23, 2023 8:30:48 GMT almagata said:

Jan 22, 2023 18:15:27 GMT pod said:

Mainstream media has become no better than YouTuber sleuths desperate for views.

On Facebook, the owner of Mad Greek denies Kohberger visited the restaurant, saying "The news/media should really do their due diligence before running a story with completely fabricated information. This will be my only response to this story from People… It is not true."

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I don't think we will know how they crossed paths until they overlay the kid's cell phone data location with Kohberger's. 

I can't see the Idaho PD NOT being interested in Kohberger and Mad Greek. Same for the overlaying of the cell phones of suspect and victims you brought up.

Both avenues of investigation are inevitable - false web sleuth reports or not.

Here's another one I haven't heard mentioned about his phone: Kohlberg's "stationary" cell phone pings. If he was sitting in one spot, spying, his cell ping record should have many pings in a row from the same location. Even walking around is going to be from, more or less, the same spot.

Can they read the ping record finely enough to discern when the phone was stationary, from when it moved slowly about?

So what was Kohberger doing in one spot in Moscow for many minutes at a time?  Visiting a friend nearby?  Seems unlikely.  Patronizing a business?  They were most likely closed for the night for most of the 12 pre-attack Moscow visits.

Maybe he'll say he parked his car, left the phone inside, and did a nighttime run - for each of the 12 times.

Does his cell ping record show any other stationary spots in Moscow, outside the King Rd. neighborhood? Parked outside the Mad Greek maybe, near weekend night closing time? (Its website says it closes on Fri./Sat. at 10pm.)

[almagata]

Jan 23, 2023 15:57:01 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Jan 23, 2023 8:30:48 GMT almagata said:

I don't think we will know how they crossed paths until they overlay the kid's cell phone data location with Kohberger's. 

I can't see the Idaho PD NOT being interested in Kohberger and Mad Greek. Same for the overlaying of the cell phones of suspect and victims you brought up.

Both avenues of investigation are inevitable - false web sleuth reports or not.

Here's another one I haven't heard mentioned about his phone: Kohlberg's "stationary" cell phone pings. If he was sitting in one spot, spying, his cell ping record should have many pings in a row from the same location. Even walking around is going to be from, more or less, the same spot.

Can they read the ping record finely enough to discern when the phone was stationary, from when it moved slowly about?

So what was Kohberger doing in one spot in Moscow for many minutes at a time?  Visiting a friend nearby?  Seems unlikely.  Patronizing a business?  They were most likely closed for the night for most of the 12 pre-attack Moscow visits.

Maybe he'll say he parked his car, left the phone inside, and did a nighttime run - for each of the 12 times.

Does his cell ping record show any other stationary spots in Moscow, outside the King Rd. neighborhood? Parked outside the Mad Greek maybe, near weekend night closing time? (Its website says it closes on Fri./Sat. at 10pm.)

There are many cell phone antennas in Moscow and Pullman so they should be able to track his movement with great detail. 

www.towermaps.com/the-map.html

[johnnyhands1]

Jan 24, 2023 11:36:19 GMT almagata said:

Jan 23, 2023 15:57:01 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

I can't see the Idaho PD NOT being interested in Kohberger and Mad Greek. Same for the overlaying of the cell phones of suspect and victims you brought up.

Both avenues of investigation are inevitable - false web sleuth reports or not.

Here's another one I haven't heard mentioned about his phone: Kohlberg's "stationary" cell phone pings. If he was sitting in one spot, spying, his cell ping record should have many pings in a row from the same location. Even walking around is going to be from, more or less, the same spot.

Can they read the ping record finely enough to discern when the phone was stationary, from when it moved slowly about?

So what was Kohberger doing in one spot in Moscow for many minutes at a time?  Visiting a friend nearby?  Seems unlikely.  Patronizing a business?  They were most likely closed for the night for most of the 12 pre-attack Moscow visits.

Maybe he'll say he parked his car, left the phone inside, and did a nighttime run - for each of the 12 times.

Does his cell ping record show any other stationary spots in Moscow, outside the King Rd. neighborhood? Parked outside the Mad Greek maybe, near weekend night closing time? (Its website says it closes on Fri./Sat. at 10pm.)

There are many cell phone antennas in Moscow and Pullman so they should be able to track his movement with great detail. 

www.towermaps.com/the-map.html

On the "4 Killed For What" podcast last week, former FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer said she found out the number of cell towers in Moscow was three - the minimum number of towers for triangulation. She said that can reveal the location within 3/4 mile, but sometimes can get much closer (if the pings in this case can't get a whole lot closer, my hunch about the "stationary" nature of the pings may be very important.)  

I see a lot more than three in Moscow on the map you linked to, almagata. Could it be Kohberger's cell provider, AT&T, only has three? (I don't know anything about cell towers and sharing or not between different providers.)

Here's the AudioBoom link to part 1 of a two-part conversation with Ms. Coffindaffer on "4 Killed for What." The cell tower conversation starts around 2:40:

t.co/yuhlN9Raew

[johnnyhands1]

A couple bits of info I contributed earlier in this thread, based on articles from meaww.com, may not be true.

I had a couple reddit post using that info removed as "unverified information" because "Meaww is not a reputable source."

Just letting you know.

[johnnyhands1]

Jan 24, 2023 11:36:19 GMT almagata said:

Jan 23, 2023 15:57:01 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

I can't see the Idaho PD NOT being interested in Kohberger and Mad Greek. Same for the overlaying of the cell phones of suspect and victims you brought up.

Both avenues of investigation are inevitable - false web sleuth reports or not.

Here's another one I haven't heard mentioned about his phone: Kohlberg's "stationary" cell phone pings. If he was sitting in one spot, spying, his cell ping record should have many pings in a row from the same location. Even walking around is going to be from, more or less, the same spot.

Can they read the ping record finely enough to discern when the phone was stationary, from when it moved slowly about?

So what was Kohberger doing in one spot in Moscow for many minutes at a time?  Visiting a friend nearby?  Seems unlikely.  Patronizing a business?  They were most likely closed for the night for most of the 12 pre-attack Moscow visits.

Maybe he'll say he parked his car, left the phone inside, and did a nighttime run - for each of the 12 times.

Does his cell ping record show any other stationary spots in Moscow, outside the King Rd. neighborhood? Parked outside the Mad Greek maybe, near weekend night closing time? (Its website says it closes on Fri./Sat. at 10pm.)

There are many cell phone antennas in Moscow and Pullman so they should be able to track his movement with great detail. 

www.towermaps.com/the-map.html

Here's a link to a map that shows only three cell towers in the Moscow, ID area, but it shows only "FCC registered" cell towers and says, "Note: Not all towers must be registered in the FCC database, so the above map may not list all the towers in the area."

  www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Moscow-Idaho.html

So the FCC database may be where ex-FBI agent Coffindaffer got "three" for the number of cell towers in Moscow, whereas the map almagata linked to has a lot more. I guess we'd need to know if AT&T uses all the towers in Moscow or only a subset - to have a sense of how relatively strong the triangulation data might be (the more cell towers AT&T uses, the more precise the triangulation will be, from what I'm reading.) Hopefully we'll find out in future proceedings.

[johnnyhands1]

Here's a map I made a screenshot of that supposedly shows the AT&T-used cell towers in Moscow (courtesy of www.cellmapper.net, which I learned about from a reddit post.) There are two towers within a mile of the 1122 King Rd. house and another about four miles to the southeast. This may be the "three" towers former FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer was referring on the "4 Killed For What?" podcast, when she said she had looked into it  (without saying so, she may have looked into which ones are specifically used by AT&T - Kohberger's cell phone carrier):

If you click on the image below it's too zoomed-in, try the link below it to go to the site.



www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=310&MNC=410&type=LTE&latitude=46.71688348160288&longitude=-117.00047971153637&zoom=13.08&showTowers=true&showIcons=true&showTowerLabels=true&clusterEnabled=true&tilesEnabled=true&showOrphans=false&showNoFrequencyOnly=false&showFrequencyOnly=false&showBandwidthOnly=false&DateFilterType=Last&showHex=false&showVerifiedOnly=false&showUnverifiedOnly=false&showLTECAOnly=false&showENDCOnly=false&showBand=0&showSectorColours=true&mapType=roadmap&darkMode=false