Linda Lane video shows 2nd vehicle shortly after Elantra

[johnnyhands1]

For this purposes of this post, I’m assuming the video is not a hoax.

“Linda Lane Camera Footage 11/13/22 - Suspect Vehicle 1 Seen on King Road #IDAHO4”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQdzYjtTSKU

EDIT: here's same video with enhanced audio according to its title:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvY2WGF-Szg

YouTube channel: Veritas Aequitas

Alleged Kohberger white Elantra, “Suspect Vehicle 1”:

YouTube time: 5:35
Video clock time: 04:05:21 (11/13/2022 am SUN )

This is the footage referred to in the PCA, page 6, that captures ‘Suspect Vehicle 1’ - “stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Rd #52 and then driving back westbound on King Rd.”

ME: it’s really westbound on Queen Rd, not King Rd. How do I know? The dwellings directly across the street from the murder house all have Queen Rd addresses.


Second unknown, PCA-unmentioned vehicle around a minute later:

YouTube time: 7:32
Video clock time: 04:07:18 (11/13/2022 am SUN )


Later audio-only of “Suspect Vehicle 1” leaving area in what PCA, page 6, says “next seen departing the area of the King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 am at a high rate of speed” :

YouTube time: 21:35
Video clock time: 04:21:20 (11/13/2022 am SUN )

Note, there are car sounds starting 20:45, YouTube time, that aren’t as loud. Could be other vehicles.

Let me know if you disagree with my assessment of where that second vehicle is headed (behind the two long Queen Road apartments). Keep in mind the 1330 Linda Lane apartments are up a hill at a higher elevation those two long Queen Rd apartments just west, so the second vehicle disappears behind a ridge of some kind as its driving south to the back parking area, but you can still see the headlights, barely.

Anyway, the footage of Suspect Vehicle 1 here would be just moments before a different security cam (not in this video) showed it doing the three-point turn at the intersection of King and Queen Roads. Then the car apparently went east on Queen Rd again for a short distance just past the murder house, then turned up that next-door driveway going south, just east of the murder house to park in the back.

But that second vehicle that comes into view around a minute later, rather than turning around and heading back out the same way as Suspect Vehicle 1, continues straight (south) to the parking lot in the back of the two long apartment buildings located just east of the murder house.

Where in the long parking lot did the second vehicle end up parking? We can’t know, but unless it pulled straight (south) into a parking space without turning right (west), it would have turned and potentially shined its lights at the alleged Kohberger vehicle, assuming the Elantra was already parked in place behind the house. It’s always possible they were exiting their vehicles around the same time, but were too far away from each other to be concerned with each other.

Note the video also shows a third vehicle that is already parked outside #52 Queen Rd, whose driver apparently walks up to, enters, starts up, and leaves starting at around 04:22:50, video clock time.

The PCA doesn’t mention either non-white Elantra vehicle, and I supposed the 04:22 vehicle has nothing to do with the crimes. But, for those who think more than one person is involved, that second vehicle should be explained.

I’m guessing LE has contacted and interviewed the owners of those two vehicles.

[almagata]

Thank you for posting this full video. I saw a couple of Youtube videos that were talking about it.

This video shows how many cars and people were out and about even at that early hour.

When I listened to the video, you could hear what sounded like some thuds and around 14:55.

It is shocking to see that Kohberger could drive up, park, get in the house and kill four people in such a short period of time. It was so quiet that even Dylan was not sure what was going on.

[johnnyhands1]

Now that I've listened to others examine the events of the 1330 Linda Lane security cam video in the 4am hour, I'm thinking it may not be a second vehicle at 4:07 am, but rather Suspect Vehicle 1 returning to make its way to the murder house.

It makes sense that Suspect Vehicle 1 would have taken the long way around to get to behind the murder house (rather than take that other driveway right next to the house that would have been potentially more audible to the victims' ears.)

What threw me off the 4:07 am Suspect Vehicle 1 returning conclusion was this: the PCA, page 6, makes no mention of the vehicle returning into video view at 4:07am, all it says is after that 3-pt turn at the intersection of King & Queen, Suspect Vehicle 1 is then "driving eastbound again down Queen Road." Nothing about returning into video view.

The 1112 King Rd security cam footage we haven't seen yet should confirm whether a second vehicle was in the area between 4:04 am and 4:07 am.

Here's the relevant PCA page 6 excerpt, with no mention of the 4:07 vehicle in video view - it goes right to the 4:20 am sighting:

"Suspect Vehicle 1 can be seen entering the area a fourth time at approximately 4:04 a.m. It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping and turning around in front of 500 Queen Rd. #52, and then driving back westbound on King Road. When suspect Vehicle 1 is in front of the King Road Residence, it appears to unsuccessfully attempt to park or turn around in the road. The vehicle then continued to the intersection of Queen Road and King Road where it can be seen completing a three point turn and then driving eastbound again down Queen Road.

Suspect Vehicle 1 is next seen departing the area of King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 a.m. at a high rate of speed."

[johnnyhands1]

So now we know the address and location of two of the King Road neighborhood security cams (1112 King Rd and 1330 Linda Lane.)

This sentence in the PCA page 6 except I transcribed above seems to imply there is a third security cam:

"When suspect Vehicle 1 is in front of the King Road Residence, it appears to unsuccessfully attempt to park or turn around in the road."

The picture I saw of the 1112 King Rd security cam was on its west wall which would have pointed away from the front of the King Road Residence (murder house) and its driveway/parking area - and more toward the intersection of King Rd and Queen Rd.

If there is no third security cam, then it seems as if they are assessing that "unsuccessfully attempt to park or turn around in the road" from what's happening on the audio, with Suspect Vehicle 1 not in actual view.

We'll see.

[pod]

If you look where the car is after headlights come on, you can actually see "someone" get in the car. (Interior car light comes on.) Then you see a blurry individual lift his right arm as he turns the ignition on.

04:23.01 to 04:23.07

[johnnyhands1]

Jul 6, 2023 2:01:07 GMT pod said:

If you look where the car is after headlights come on, you can actually see "someone" get in the car. (Interior car light comes on.) Then you see a blurry individual lift his right arm as he turns the ignition on.

04:23.01 to 04:23.07

Yes, that's another vehicle that needs to be ruled out. If the PCA is to be believed, Suspect Vehicle 1 was long gone. 

If they can detect the driver of the truck (EDIT: walking up to the truck) coming from somewhere to the west (from the direction of the murder house), then that would be interesting. I just thought it was some one who lived there, but you never know,

[pod]

"Keep in mind the 1330 Linda Lane apartments are up a hill at a higher elevation those two long Queen Rd apartments just west, so the second vehicle disappears behind a ridge of some kind as its driving south to the back parking area, but you can still see the headlights, barely."

It makes sense if this is BK's car looping around the apartment blocks to get to the parking area directly behind the victims' house. It's hard to tell from either the video or google maps if there's car access around the apartment blocks.

The car just "disappears". But logic says that must be where the car has gone. I guess it would help if someone knows the location and can say for sure there is car access at the point where the car vanishes.

[johnnyhands1]

Jul 6, 2023 22:37:12 GMT pod said:

"Keep in mind the 1330 Linda Lane apartments are up a hill at a higher elevation those two long Queen Rd apartments just west, so the second vehicle disappears behind a ridge of some kind as its driving south to the back parking area, but you can still see the headlights, barely."

It makes sense if this is BK's car looping around the apartment blocks to get to the parking area directly behind the victims' house. It's hard to tell from either the video or google maps if there's car access around the apartment blocks.

The car just "disappears". But logic says that must be where the car has gone. I guess it would help if someone knows the location and can say for sure there is car access at the point where the car vanishes.

I can't see if there is a driveway there for sure, either on Google Maps' or Apple Maps' satellite views, though Apple Maps has a graphic line indicating there is a driveway all the way around the two large apartments, with a west end driveway on Queen Rd (nearest the murder house) and an east end driveway on Queen Rd (where the 4:07 am vehicle apparently went through.)

On the Apple Maps, if I zoom in more, the graphic line goes away and you see the satellite photo for that stretch of driveway, but trees block the view of it - between the southernmost of the two large apartments and 1330 Linda Lane.

Is that space between those two buildings just mentioned really wide enough to fit traffic both ways?  I'm thinking it isn't.  And I'm also thinking there might be a Do No Enter sign there where the 4:07 vehicle entered - because it deters traffic tie ups between enterers and exiters - so it's exit only for residents leaving the parking area.  The way the parked cars are pointed south-southeast bolsters this, and seemingly much easier exit the parking area from the east end driveway to get to Queen Road proper and go west.

Pure speculation.

But if I'm right, then the 4:07 am vehicle entered the wrong way, which means it's much more likely the driver didn't live there.  

Was it Suspect Vehicle 1 heeding the Do Not Enter sign the first time, then returning a second time to blow past the sign, or was SV1 just doing more scouting before parking.  Or a second vehicle that didn't heed the Do Not Enter at all?

All this speculation needs to be verified or rejected from someone who's been there. Neither Google or Apple's maps will let you go in street view up Queen Road to find out.

[johnnyhands1]

Now that footage for the 3am-4am hour from this same Linda Lane cam has also been leaked (along with the 4am-5am hour leaked a few days earlier), we can see the 3 passes behind the Queen Road Apts in the 3am-4am, as well as turnaround, the 3-pt-turn, then the a fourth pass again behind between 4:05am and 4:07am. This lines up with what the PCA says on page 6 - though it doesn't explicitly mention what I call the "fourth pass", below.

Here's a video that shows all the footage from the Linda Lane cam that lines up with what the PCA (page 6) says. We'll need to see that other cam from 1112 King Road to solidify that conclusion.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp3gHR_DqDU

Here's my summary of the Linda Lane footage (and the passes Suspect Vehicle made around the neighborhood and the back of the Queen Rd Apts), followed by what I'll expect to see on the 1112 King Rd footage, when we finally see it.

3:30am first pass going behind Queen Rd Apts (and presumably leaving out the east west end driving since we don't see it return the other way in view of the Linda Lane camera)

3:39am second pass

3:56am third pass

4:05am drive to the east end, then turns around and goes back the way it came

4:07am fourth pass

EXPECTED of 1112 King Rd footage, when we eventually see it (note: the cam was located on west outside wall of house pointing toward King Rd - I assume it picks up some of the King Rd/Queen Rd intersection.)

3:30am Suspect Vehicle 1 that looks very much like a white Elantra coming slightly before 3:30am, coming south down King Rd and turning east on Queen Rd, and coming back several minutes later the other way (from west) and turning north on King Rd (it may have spend some time idling/parked behind the murder house, so the exact time we see return on the 1112 King cam will give us a clue of how long it spent.)

3:39am same

3:56am same

4:05am same going east, but it returns much sooner than the other times (audio may pick vehicle sound of the failed middle-of-Queen Rd turnaround attempt.) then we will see the three-point at King and Queen the PCA talks about. Then we'll see it go east again on Queen Rd

4:17am audio of loud thud, female wimper/crying, dog barks repeatedly

4:20am Suspect Vehicle 1 leaving King Rd at a high rate of speed (faster and louder than the other times before this.)

EDIT:
9:12am - 9:21am - the PCA (page 14) has the phone near the murder house.  Will the 1112 King Rd security cam show the white Elantra entering the King Rd subdivision?          

[johnnyhands1]

Jul 6, 2023 22:37:12 GMT pod said:

"Keep in mind the 1330 Linda Lane apartments are up a hill at a higher elevation those two long Queen Rd apartments just west, so the second vehicle disappears behind a ridge of some kind as its driving south to the back parking area, but you can still see the headlights, barely."

It makes sense if this is BK's car looping around the apartment blocks to get to the parking area directly behind the victims' house. It's hard to tell from either the video or google maps if there's car access around the apartment blocks.

The car just "disappears". But logic says that must be where the car has gone. I guess it would help if someone knows the location and can say for sure there is car access at the point where the car vanishes.

Here's a video that, just for a moment, shows a view of that east-end driveway where Suspect Vehicle 1 - or whatever vehicle - disappears in the Linda Lane footage. As you said, pod, logic says that's where it went and the following video let's you see that driveway - into the back parking area of the Queen Road Apts (just east of the murder house.)

If you're lost, use your Maps app's satellite view of the King/Queen Rd neighborhood to get a sense of direction.

   www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQX0V_oLg-w

The video host starts the video out in front of the murder house, but walks east on Queen Road past the end of the Queen Road Apts to see that area where Suspect Vehicle 1 is clearly shown entering, turning around, and leaving the way it came at 4:05-06 am in the Linda Lane footage.

Pause the video at 9:49 and the video host is pointing right at the east-end driveway (far right of screen.) Slightly left, you can see the wall that separates the 1330 Linda Lane property from the apartments - and that wall looks high enough to mostly block the headlights of a sedan like the white Elantra (as the Linda Lane footage showed four times.)

The driveway actually goes uphill, and you can see a little behind the Queen Road Apts. You can see a car or two parked in a southeast direction in the eastern-most parking spots.

You can see it's a well paved driveway, but doesn't appear to be wide enough for 2-way traffic. I don't see a Do Not Enter sign like I wondered about earlier in this thread.

I stand by my contention that no one who actually lives in those apartments would enter via that east-end driveway - it's the long way around, and they'd have do a 3/4 U-turn to get to their parking space. They would, instead, be in the habit of entering the parking area via the west-end driveway (just east of the murder house.)  It would only make sense to leave the parking area via that east-end driveway.

So, again, we have the Linda Lane 3am-4am and 4am-5am footage, taken together, showing a vehicle taking that wrong-way east-end driveway four times, total, and most likely not a resident there.

[pod]

Looks like there's definately access around the apts.

To be honest, that guy who made the video is a very dodgy individual, which is why I don't usually watch his videos. Google Jonathan Lee Riches and read about him.

[johnnyhands1]

Jul 23, 2023 19:16:14 GMT pod said:

Looks like there's definately access around the apts.

To be honest, that guy who made the video is a very dodgy individual, which is why I don't usually watch his videos. Google Jonathan Lee Riches and read about him.

Thanks for the warning. I've read about him. 

[johnnyhands1]

I was re-watching the 4am-5am Linda Lane footage and I noticed on the last pass of Suspect Vehicle 1 (or whatever vehicle) at video time stamp 04:07:24 (YouTube time 7:39) - there seems to be a car horn honk (accidental?) It seems like it could only come from that immediate area shown on the video, not from way down the street.

Here's the link again to the Veritas Aequitas channel 4am-5am Linda Lane footage:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvY2WGF-Szg

I think there's a good chance the horn honk comes from the same Suspect 1 Vehicle (or not) whose headlights we see vaguely enter the picture a few seconds before that, and whose headlights disappear behind the wall of the east-end driveway of the Queen Road Apts (04:07:35.) This would be the alleged "final pass" of Suspect Vehicle 1.

Do you agree?

MY POINT: Could that sound at 04:07:24 be matched/ruled out as made by the horn on the white Elantra of Kohberger?

If it's not Kohberger's vehicle, who's vehicle was it, and does it occupant(s) have any information? If this horn-honk-as-white-Elantra-proof has been thoroughly discussed by the Internet already, I somehow missed it.

WARNING: there are a lot of Youtuber's saying the audio of the Linda Lane footage has been tampered with.  If that's right, then I'm thinking this horn honk at 4:07am might be part of the fabrication.  We'll see.  I've noticed how almost none of the mainstream new outlets who are deep into this case have acknowledged the existance of the leaked Linda Lane footage.