Sixth Grade Class

[Brad]

Oct 30, 2014 14:44:50 GMT ricedr said:

This is my first post to this board. I hope it comes out right and I offend no one. I have sent e-mails to three LE agencies and only one responded. The detective said the journal was found in Contra Costa County, not in his jurisdiction! I wrote two letters to a retired detective. He talked to me after the first letter and said the information would be investigated. I wrote a second letter several months ago with more details. Perhaps my information led nowhere. Maybe I'm completely off base. Perhaps members of this board have already researched the following information.

In the 1962-63 school year there were three 6th grade classrooms on Mather AFB. Two of the classes were taught by female teachers while the third was led by a male instructor. I'm not certain of the name but Mr. Cook is a good possibility.

One day during the early part of the school year, after repeated warnings Mr. Cook slammed either six or seven of the boys in the back two rows with the worst punishment for talking I've ever heard of. It was a sentence but it was more like a good sized paragraph. I don't know if it was to be copied two, three, four or five hundred times. I want to say it was a monumental punishment but I guess it would be better described, fifty-two years latter, as arthritic in nature! Over and over, in class, at home and during recess and lunches that sentence was written and rewritten.

If there is a roster for the class from the beginning of the school year, all the names would be there. By the middle of the year at least three of the boys were out of the class. One went to Texas. One went to another class. One was kicked off the base for unknown reasons! Only three or four of the boys would probably fit the physical description. Three of them would be real close matches.

It's probably nothing. It's most likely been proven that all six or seven boys grew up to be choir boys waiting for beatification!

However, at least two of us remember that punishment: for the rest of our lives. I was reluctant to post this, in case the other one follows this board. At the time of the first EAR attack the boys would have been 24.

Thanks for allowing me to post on your board.

My board name is because we lived at #12 Rice Drive Mather AFB. The street names are different now.

Welcome to the board, Rice.

I would not qualify that as "probably nothing" if I were you. That is actual substantive input to the board. And fascinating, as well. That kind of contribution has as much of a place here as anything else posted, for sure.

Thanks!

[dbw]

Interesting post, Rice, and information well worth pursuing.

[northernjustice]

I lean away from the idea that the EAR was in the military himself, but there is a strong possibility in my mind that he grew up in a military family. If the EAR did bounce around the base from time to time (as he insinuated to one victim), it's possible that he had some sort of formal or informal clearance as a result of his family or even simply by being a "familiar face".

If all of this is accurate, I'd say it's a very good lead.

[happycamper]

Welcome ricedr, so glad you posted this!!

Did this elementary school have a name?? Was it Kitty Hawk?

Thanks!

[slumbergirl]

RiceDr - The response you got from LE is typical of what many of us have encountered. Have you figured out the names of the three boys who also fit the description of the EAR? If so, I would contact the LEO who seemed the most interested and give him the names. He can do a quick an easy background check on them.

[magnumforce73]

Oct 30, 2014 14:44:50 GMT ricedr said:

This is my first post to this board. I hope it comes out right and I offend no one. I have sent e-mails to three LE agencies and only one responded. The detective said the journal was found in Contra Costa County, not in his jurisdiction! I wrote two letters to a retired detective. He talked to me after the first letter and said the information would be investigated. I wrote a second letter several months ago with more details. Perhaps my information led nowhere. Maybe I'm completely off base. Perhaps members of this board have already researched the following information.

In the 1962-63 school year there were three 6th grade classrooms on Mather AFB. Two of the classes were taught by female teachers while the third was led by a male instructor. I'm not certain of the name but Mr. Cook is a good possibility.

One day during the early part of the school year, after repeated warnings Mr. Cook slammed either six or seven of the boys in the back two rows with the worst punishment for talking I've ever heard of. It was a sentence but it was more like a good sized paragraph. I don't know if it was to be copied two, three, four or five hundred times. I want to say it was a monumental punishment but I guess it would be better described, fifty-two years latter, as arthritic in nature! Over and over, in class, at home and during recess and lunches that sentence was written and rewritten.

If there is a roster for the class from the beginning of the school year, all the names would be there. By the middle of the year at least three of the boys were out of the class. One went to Texas. One went to another class. One was kicked off the base for unknown reasons! Only three or four of the boys would probably fit the physical description. Three of them would be real close matches.

It's probably nothing. It's most likely been proven that all six or seven boys grew up to be choir boys waiting for beatification!

However, at least two of us remember that punishment: for the rest of our lives. I was reluctant to post this, in case the other one follows this board. At the time of the first EAR attack the boys would have been 24.

Thanks for allowing me to post on your board.

My board name is because we lived at #12 Rice Drive Mather AFB. The street names are different now.

First off, welcome aboard, rice.  What you posted IS NOT nothing--do stick around.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to hear more about the boy who was kicked off base--sounds like a hardcase anti-authority personality.  Sounds like someone known for extensive prowlings, vicious rapes, and savage bludgeonings.

mf73

[Relentless]

Welcome Ricedr, this is just the kind of information we are looking for. Thanks for posting.

[Relentless]

Ricedr, if you remember, What was the sentence?

[lepke]

Oct 30, 2014 14:44:50 GMT ricedr said:

This is my first post to this board. I hope it comes out right and I offend no one. I have sent e-mails to three LE agencies and only one responded. The detective said the journal was found in Contra Costa County, not in his jurisdiction! I wrote two letters to a retired detective. He talked to me after the first letter and said the information would be investigated. I wrote a second letter several months ago with more details. Perhaps my information led nowhere. Maybe I'm completely off base. Perhaps members of this board have already researched the following information.

In the 1962-63 school year there were three 6th grade classrooms on Mather AFB. Two of the classes were taught by female teachers while the third was led by a male instructor. I'm not certain of the name but Mr. Cook is a good possibility.

One day during the early part of the school year, after repeated warnings Mr. Cook slammed either six or seven of the boys in the back two rows with the worst punishment for talking I've ever heard of. It was a sentence but it was more like a good sized paragraph. I don't know if it was to be copied two, three, four or five hundred times. I want to say it was a monumental punishment but I guess it would be better described, fifty-two years latter, as arthritic in nature! Over and over, in class, at home and during recess and lunches that sentence was written and rewritten.

If there is a roster for the class from the beginning of the school year, all the names would be there. By the middle of the year at least three of the boys were out of the class. One went to Texas. One went to another class. One was kicked off the base for unknown reasons! Only three or four of the boys would probably fit the physical description. Three of them would be real close matches.

It's probably nothing. It's most likely been proven that all six or seven boys grew up to be choir boys waiting for beatification!

However, at least two of us remember that punishment: for the rest of our lives. I was reluctant to post this, in case the other one follows this board. At the time of the first EAR attack the boys would have been 24.

Thanks for allowing me to post on your board.

My board name is because we lived at #12 Rice Drive Mather AFB. The street names are different now.

Interesting post. Certainly get in touch with the relevant investigators about all the boys that got punished.

[Deleted]

Hi riccedr, Very Interesting.

[Drifter]

ricedr ...

From the reception you have received here, I'd say that posters would genuinely like for you to stick around.

Feel free to post as often as you'd like.

And let me add my welcome, as well.

Drifter

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Oct 30, 2014 14:44:50 GMT ricedr said:

This is my first post to this board. I hope it comes out right and I offend no one. I have sent e-mails to three LE agencies and only one responded. The detective said the journal was found in Contra Costa County, not in his jurisdiction! I wrote two letters to a retired detective. He talked to me after the first letter and said the information would be investigated. I wrote a second letter several months ago with more details. Perhaps my information led nowhere. Maybe I'm completely off base. Perhaps members of this board have already researched the following information.

In the 1962-63 school year there were three 6th grade classrooms on Mather AFB. Two of the classes were taught by female teachers while the third was led by a male instructor. I'm not certain of the name but Mr. Cook is a good possibility.

One day during the early part of the school year, after repeated warnings Mr. Cook slammed either six or seven of the boys in the back two rows with the worst punishment for talking I've ever heard of. It was a sentence but it was more like a good sized paragraph. I don't know if it was to be copied two, three, four or five hundred times. I want to say it was a monumental punishment but I guess it would be better described, fifty-two years latter, as arthritic in nature! Over and over, in class, at home and during recess and lunches that sentence was written and rewritten.

If there is a roster for the class from the beginning of the school year, all the names would be there. By the middle of the year at least three of the boys were out of the class. One went to Texas. One went to another class. One was kicked off the base for unknown reasons! Only three or four of the boys would probably fit the physical description. Three of them would be real close matches.

It's probably nothing. It's most likely been proven that all six or seven boys grew up to be choir boys waiting for beatification!

However, at least two of us remember that punishment: for the rest of our lives. I was reluctant to post this, in case the other one follows this board. At the time of the first EAR attack the boys would have been 24.

Thanks for allowing me to post on your board.

My board name is because we lived at #12 Rice Drive Mather AFB. The street names are different now.

Hi ricedr, Thank you so much for posting this.  You got quite a response of people "liking" your post.  This is very interesting and I'd like to figure out a way to follow up on this.  If you want to PM me, please do.  Please do not disappear.  Maybe something could come of this.  I find it exciting information! Sandia

P.S. ricedr, were there any cancelled field trips for the class?

[Deleted]

I seriously doubt a teacher would issue a punishment to be done at home, or even outside classroom hours. An angry parent would talk to the principal of the school, or the teacher's peers would bring it up. I remember grade school as being very protective of the students. There were a couple of abusive teachers, but they disappeared quickly in the days of PTA, should an angry parent make a stink that someone at the school mistreated or discriminated against their little cherub.

[happycamper]

Unless the parents felt the punishment fit the crime, or didn't care. Which could have contributed to these kids being the trouble makers.

[applicable]

Oct 31, 2014 6:49:09 GMT @trig said:

I seriously doubt a teacher would issue a punishment to be done at home, or even outside classroom hours. An angry parent would talk to the principal of the school, or the teacher's peers would bring it up. I remember grade school as being very protective of the students. There were a couple of abusive teachers, but they disappeared quickly in the days of PTA, should an angry parent make a stink that someone at the school mistreated or discriminated against their little cherub.

i don't see how this line of reasoning argues that it couldn't have happened. Your argument seems to suggest only that it wouldn't have happened multiple times, because the teacher would have been sacked. Even if that is true (which I doubt...Catholic schools still make students do these writing "assignments" I think), there still would have been a group of boys who experienced the strong punishment in order for parents to complain.

Ricedr,
Awesome post. Could be nothing or could be a goldmine. Looking forward to updates!

app