DeAngelo flew

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

DeAngelo flew! (At least that’s my belief)

6/22/78 evening Modesto Airport: A taxi driver picked up a fare and dropped him off in an area where homes were in the framing stage and nobody lived. (Sylvan and Coffee in Modesto).

6/23/78 1:30 a.m: There was attack about ½ mile from Sylvan & Coffee across a field on Gran Prix.

6/24/78 3:15 a.m. Rivendell Lane, Davis. Evidence points to him flying between Modesto and Davis. The developer of “The Village” home development in Davis followed the muddy footprints from the victim’s home to the UC Davis Airport which was across a field, about 1 mile as the crow flies.

DeAngelo’s father was a pilot in the war. DeAngelo’s father-in-law was a private plane flying enthusiast, DeAngelo’s brother-in-law, James Huddle, was a private plane pilot and took DeAngelo up with him.

I’ve been told DeAngelo knew how to fly (unverified but told by a very reliable person). I’ve been told his brother had a pilot’s license (UPDATE:  WRONG, his brother-in-law NOT his brother.)

Was DeAngelo smart enough not to get a pilot’s license so nobody would suspect him of flying to far locations.

Also, I can’t help but think of Colton Harris, the teen labeled the barefoot bandit that taught himself to fly and stole planes.

I am suggesting that DeAngelo stole a plane from a private airport and flew to the Santa Ynez airport and picked up a loaner car and drove the 24 miles down Highway 154 to Aveneda Pequena (Offerman/Manning).

I am suggesting that DeAngelo stole a plane and landed in the Santa Paula Airport, and drove 10 miles to the Smith residence on High Point Drive, Ventura.

A poster on this board said that back in the day she accompanied her husband who was a private pilot to various small airports and told they often had loaner cars at these airports. I would like to know how this loaner system worked. Perhaps these cars were on the honor system and someone could stop, borrow the car to go to a local restaurant or motel, return it get in their plane and continue. If DeAngelo flew he would know about the loaner cars.

Did he fly to San Jose? Dana Point? Irvine? Other places? Out of state?

I wonder if James Huddle or his father ever suspected that his plane had been used? People didn’t lock their planes and no key was needed to start them. Perhaps he stole and returned random planes. I would love to ask James Huddle if he has anything of interest to add on this theory.

[kg]

I don't know about that Modesto theory. Its a 1hr40min drive Auburn to Modesto, not much time saved by flying plus having to hail a cab upped the risk on that caper. I am not a pilot but my father was when I was growing up and we flew weekly. Better to have your own vehicle, much more control over your situation. If he was into control like everyone thinks then he drove.

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Jul 13, 2020 21:44:38 GMT kg said:

I don't know about that Modesto theory. Its a 1hr40min drive Auburn to Modesto, not much time saved by flying plus having to hail a cab upped the risk on that caper. I am not a pilot but my father was when I was growing up and we flew weekly. Better to have your own vehicle, much more control over your situation. If he was into control like everyone thinks then he drove.

Good point about having more control by having your own vehicle but he might have had a reason.  Perhaps if he was chased and had to ditch the car he'd have a hard time explaining why he was so far from home?  Maybe some other reason.  But I am pointing out the time and the back and forth between Davis and Modesto and the footprints followed from the victim's home in Davis to the UCDavis Airport, and the taxi driver that picked up a man from the Modesto Airport that fit DeAngelo's description to a tee and dropping him off in an area where nobody lived but 1/2 mile from an attack hours later.  It is believe by LE that it was DeAngelo.

[V]

Jul 13, 2020 21:37:41 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

DeAngelo flew! (At least that’s my belief)

6/22/78 evening Modesto Airport: A taxi driver picked up a fare and dropped him off in an area where homes were in the framing stage and nobody lived. (Sylvan and Coffee in Modesto).

6/23/78 1:30 a.m: There was attack about ½ mile from Sylvan & Coffee across a field on Gran Prix.

6/24/78 3:15 a.m. Rivendell Lane, Davis. Evidence points to him flying between Modesto and Davis. The developer of “The Village” home development in Davis followed the muddy footprints from the victim’s home to the UC Davis Airport which was across a field, about 1 mile as the crow flies.

DeAngelo’s father was a pilot in the war. DeAngelo’s father-in-law was a private plane flying enthusiast, DeAngelo’s brother-in-law, James Huddle, was a private plane pilot and took DeAngelo up with him.

I’ve been told DeAngelo knew how to fly (unverified but told by a very reliable person). I’ve been told his brother had a pilot’s license (UPDATE:  WRONG, his brother-in-law NOT his brother.)

Was DeAngelo smart enough not to get a pilot’s license so nobody would suspect him of flying to far locations.

Also, I can’t help but think of Colton Harris, the teen labeled the barefoot bandit that taught himself to fly and stole planes.

I am suggesting that DeAngelo stole a plane from a private airport and flew to the Santa Ynez airport and picked up a loaner car and drove the 24 miles down Highway 154 to Aveneda Pequena (Offerman/Manning).

I am suggesting that DeAngelo stole a plane and landed in the Santa Paula Airport, and drove 10 miles to the Smith residence on High Point Drive, Ventura.

A poster on this board said that back in the day she accompanied her husband who was a private pilot to various small airports and told they often had loaner cars at these airports. I would like to know how this loaner system worked. Perhaps these cars were on the honor system and someone could stop, borrow the car to go to a local restaurant or motel, return it get in their plane and continue. If DeAngelo flew he would know about the loaner cars.

Did he fly to San Jose? Dana Point? Irvine? Other places? Out of state?

I wonder if James Huddle or his father ever suspected that his plane had been used? People didn’t lock their planes and no key was needed to start them. Perhaps he stole and returned random planes. I would love to ask James Huddle if he has anything of interest to add on this theory.

Is there evidence or documentation of stolen planes in the places you mention? 

[drewogatory]

The UC Davis airport isn't the kind of place you take off from at 03:30 if you are trying to be inconspicuous. Esp. not in the '70s. Trust me, I've done thousands of touch and go landings there, and lived in and around Davis for 30 years. It's a tiny, uncontrolled airfield. Davis to Modesto is just not a long drive, there would be no reason to fly. I'm sorry 99, but your lack of knowledge of civilian aviation is tricking you here. DeAngelo isn't stealing planes off the ramp, flying VFR at night, (presumably with no transponder) up and down the California coast and somehow staying out of controlled airspace. And instrument flying is not something you can teach yourself, believe me. Getting your instrument rating is pretty universally regarded as the most difficult part of flying.

[Brad]

Jul 15, 2020 15:56:26 GMT drewogatory said:

The UC Davis airport isn't the kind of place you take off from at 03:30 if you are trying to be inconspicuous. Esp. not in the '70s. Trust me, I've done thousands of touch and go landings there, and lived in and around Davis for 30 years. It's a tiny, uncontrolled airfield. Davis to Modesto is just not a long drive, there would be no reason to fly. I'm sorry 99, but your lack of knowledge of civilian aviation is tricking you here. DeAngelo isn't stealing planes off the ramp, flying VFR at night, (presumably with no transponder) up and down the California coast and somehow staying out of controlled airspace. And instrument flying is not something you can teach yourself, believe me. Getting your instrument rating is pretty universally regarded as the most difficult part of flying.

IFR along with ATP certification are both difficult hills to climb, I agree. 

[drewogatory]

Anyway, here's just one reason that a non pilot will understand immediately. It was the '70s. Could you buy gas at the pump in the '70s? No, you could not. You would need to buy fuel from the operator, which means they would need to be open. Did UCD secure the pumps at night? I always fueled at Yolo, so I'm not 100% certain, but I'm 99.9% certain. So now not only do you need to steal a plane (of a type you can actually operate safely), you need to steal a fully fueled plane. Did he bring his own charts,headset and E6B? Because you are going to need to talk on the radio at some point to stay inconspicuous, you need to know where you're going (and where to steer clear of), you need to manage your range because you don't want to refuel. Or, you know, you could just drive your darn car which is about 1000% less likely to get you noticed.

[f1guyus]

I think it’s a reach. Maybe a car that was in police impound but a stolen airplane?

[almagata]

I never believed the story about following the foot prints from the Village homes to the Davis airport. JJD would have had to cross the paved Russell Blvd. All the Davis attacks were in the summer time and the ground would have been hard and not likely to preserve a track-able foot print for a mile.

[drewogatory]

Jul 15, 2020 23:00:42 GMT almagata said:

I never believed the story about following the foot prints from the Village homes to the Davis airport. JJD would have had to cross the paved Russell Blvd. All the Davis attacks were in the summer time and the ground would have been hard and not likely to preserve a track-able foot print for a mile.

And why would his shoes be muddy if he followed the bike path across Russell?  If he did park on campus, I'm guessing it's because he wanted a straight shot to Pedrick Rd, where he could go north to the 5 or south to 80. I doubt he slogged through those dead flat irrigated fields, you'd stand out like a sore thumb.

[f1guyus]

I think Paul Holes used the airplane the way some cops used the diamond knot. To rev up their narrative.
Now here’s my question. In April 2016 the FBI and Sac LE offered a large reward. Has anyone come forward to claim it? If so, who?

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Jul 15, 2020 12:45:11 GMT V said:

Jul 13, 2020 21:37:41 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

DeAngelo flew! (At least that’s my belief)

6/22/78 evening Modesto Airport: A taxi driver picked up a fare and dropped him off in an area where homes were in the framing stage and nobody lived. (Sylvan and Coffee in Modesto).

6/23/78 1:30 a.m: There was attack about ½ mile from Sylvan & Coffee across a field on Gran Prix.

6/24/78 3:15 a.m. Rivendell Lane, Davis. Evidence points to him flying between Modesto and Davis. The developer of “The Village” home development in Davis followed the muddy footprints from the victim’s home to the UC Davis Airport which was across a field, about 1 mile as the crow flies.

DeAngelo’s father was a pilot in the war. DeAngelo’s father-in-law was a private plane flying enthusiast, DeAngelo’s brother-in-law, James Huddle, was a private plane pilot and took DeAngelo up with him.

I’ve been told DeAngelo knew how to fly (unverified but told by a very reliable person). I’ve been told his brother had a pilot’s license (UPDATE:  WRONG, his brother-in-law NOT his brother.)

Was DeAngelo smart enough not to get a pilot’s license so nobody would suspect him of flying to far locations.

Also, I can’t help but think of Colton Harris, the teen labeled the barefoot bandit that taught himself to fly and stole planes.

I am suggesting that DeAngelo stole a plane from a private airport and flew to the Santa Ynez airport and picked up a loaner car and drove the 24 miles down Highway 154 to Aveneda Pequena (Offerman/Manning).

I am suggesting that DeAngelo stole a plane and landed in the Santa Paula Airport, and drove 10 miles to the Smith residence on High Point Drive, Ventura.

A poster on this board said that back in the day she accompanied her husband who was a private pilot to various small airports and told they often had loaner cars at these airports. I would like to know how this loaner system worked. Perhaps these cars were on the honor system and someone could stop, borrow the car to go to a local restaurant or motel, return it get in their plane and continue. If DeAngelo flew he would know about the loaner cars.

Did he fly to San Jose? Dana Point? Irvine? Other places? Out of state?

I wonder if James Huddle or his father ever suspected that his plane had been used? People didn’t lock their planes and no key was needed to start them. Perhaps he stole and returned random planes. I would love to ask James Huddle if he has anything of interest to add on this theory.

Is there evidence or documentation of stolen planes in the places you mention? 

I am not aware of any.  I do plan on going to the Santa Ynez airport and talk to some old timers that might be able to tell me about loaner cars and I will ask that question.  I am thinking, if DeAngelo "borrowed" a plane and refueled it, the owner might not ever know it was taken.  There is no odometer in planes so I'm not sure if it would be noticeable that way either.  But even if he didn't refuel the plane and the owner did believe someone took it, what would he report.  The plane is still in his possession.   People might just think he was mistaken on how much fuel was in the plane etc.  

[johnnyhands1]

Jul 16, 2020 0:46:27 GMT f1guyus said:

I think Paul Holes used the airplane the way some cops used the diamond knot. To rev up their narrative.
Now here’s my question. In April 2016 the FBI and Sac LE offered a large reward. Has anyone come forward to claim it? If so, who?

The GEDMatch relatives?   :-) 

[Red909XMZ1]

I just cannot see JJD ever flying a plane to commit any crime. I believe he is much too intelligent to be this conspicuous and grandiose is his criminal pursuits.

He would of known that others would be well aware of where he was flying to and from, and he would not desire any type of flight log that would record his whereabouts, including departure and arrival times. I could not see him stealing a plane, either. Why would he create more stress for himself, when he could easily drive to his intended location?

I realize we see this a lot in the movies -- criminals adventurously flying to various locations in pursuit of nefarious activities -- however, in real life, it just isn't realistic for most criminals, nor is it very smart.

[drewogatory]

"There is no odometer in planes so I'm not sure if it would be noticeable that way either."

Stop, just stop. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and steadfastly refuse to listen to folks that do. There ARE "odometers" in planes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbs_meter            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tach_timer